Healthy Expectations

[ClaytonAU 4,606]

9 hours ago, Rednilla said:

To hear some of you talk, you want to be UAT, not to be Auburn.

I think if Alabama wasn't the premiere program in the country and also our #1 rival nobody would "want" to be Alabama. Alabama is consistent, we're not. What's wrong with wanting that? 

[DAG 33,983]

9 hours ago, Rednilla said:

I never said winning isn't important. I said it's not the only important thing. There is a difference. To hear some of you talk, you want to be UAT, not to be Auburn.

It is the MOST important thing in the scheme of college football. You do not want to believe that . That is fine . Live your life that way, but don't throw shots because people don't agree with your standards . Go watch intramural football if you can't handle that .

Secondly , you are out your mind if you don't think winning is a priority at AU. It has always been a priority . I imagine we spend a lot more on our football program than most other  institutes in the nation . Stop being bias for five seconds .

[McLoofus 35,182]

3 minutes ago, ClaytonAU said:

I think if Alabama wasn't the premiere program in the country and also our #1 rival nobody would "want" to be Alabama. Alabama is consistent, we're not. What's wrong with wanting that? 

Everybody wants to be them in that regard, no doubt. Just some of us would rather take a different route to get there. 

Crazy and awful as it is, Clemson is the program that I'd rather hold up as the one to emulate. And not just because they won the last one. I'm sure their bagman network is impressive, but it doesn't seem like the blatant Charger fest that goes on in turdtown. Dabo's a dork bammerneck, but we wouldn't hate him if he'd gone anywhere else and we'd love him if he were our coach. He at least doesn't have open contempt for everyone not named Five Star McGee, including his fanbase. (To be fair to saban, I get where he's coming from there.) They recruit quarterbacks and wide receivers and play defense. They're not the state school. And they've consistently been in the mix for a minute now. We'll see if they can keep it going post-Watson, but it sure doesn't seem like the wheels are about to come completely off like they always seem to a few years or less after our big seasons. That's what I want. 

[Rednilla 5,391]

2 hours ago, DAG said:

It is the MOST important thing in the scheme of college football. You do not want to believe that . That is fine . Live your life that way, but don't throw shots because people don't agree with your standards . Go watch intramural football if you can't handle that .

Secondly , you are out your mind if you don't think winning is a priority at AU. It has always been a priority . I imagine we spend a lot more on our football program than most other  institutes in the nation . Stop being bias for five seconds .

You seem to be under the impression that I don't want to win. I never even said it wasn't the most important thing. I said it's not the ONLY important thing, not in college football, as you seem to be suggesting. 

[Rednilla 5,391]

2 hours ago, ClaytonAU said:

I think if Alabama wasn't the premiere program in the country and also our #1 rival nobody would "want" to be Alabama. Alabama is consistent, we're not. What's wrong with wanting that? 

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be consistent. I want that as well. I know there are grey areas that all major programs operate in, and I'm okay with that. I simply feel as if there should be more to it than the "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" mentality that you guys seem to be advocating.

[keesler 5,924]

51 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

There's nothing wrong with wanting to be consistent. I want that as well. I know there are grey areas that all major programs operate in, and I'm okay with that. I simply feel as if there should be more to it than the "winning isn't everything, it's the only thing" mentality that you guys seem to be advocating.

I made the statement that the W-L record is the only thing that carries any weight and the discussion went to pot.  I'm not that obtuse folks - I know winning isn't everything.

We all know what happens the minute the winning slacks off.  Let the winning fall short for any length of time, and a program finds themselves in a situation where a very fine, high character, family man is coaching for his job.  i.e. Mark Richt & Les Miles.  Gus has a pretty warm seat right now - some have said he's coaching for his job this year.  Watch what happens if Auburn wins at a significantly higher level than the previous 3 yrs, Gus' ass will be cool as a cucumber.  

 

 

[DAG 33,983]

2 hours ago, Rednilla said:

You seem to be under the impression that I don't want to win. I never even said it wasn't the most important thing. I said it's not the ONLY important thing, not in college football, as you seem to be suggesting. 

No I am under the impression that you think it is not the most important thing , which it IS. If it wasn't , we would not spend the millions of dollars into our football department on head coaches.  Of course when I said this , you wanted to take a pot shot and throw out a generalization meant to have a negative connotation . You can believe what you want to believe in , but don't get mad when people don't agree with your assessment.

[augolf1716 21,158]

7 hours ago, ClaytonAU said:

I think if Alabama wasn't the premiere program in the country and also our #1 rival nobody would "want" to be Alabama. Alabama is consistent, we're not. What's wrong with wanting that? 

Nothing

[alexava 6,973]

It's not Alabama that's good. It's Saban. He was their third choice. They got lucky. When he's gone they will slide back to the pack. Until then we can still a few here and there. It is what it is. 

[AU64 10,122]

Auburn A-Day on ESPN U at the moment....got a chance to look Woody over again....

[augolf1716 21,158]

12 minutes ago, AU64 said:

Auburn A-Day on ESPN U at the moment....got a chance to look Woody over again....

and

[AU64 10,122]

1 minute ago, augolf1716 said:

and

I think I saw two plays so far...did I miss some?  But....just thinking that if Gus wanted to give him some encouragement to stay at AU...barring injury, we would have seen lots more of him.... decision was already made by AU....just a matter of WB accepting the verdict.  

Hope he finds a good lower level Div I or good FCS school though he might not want to sit out a year.

[Gowebb11 9,323]

50 minutes ago, alexava said:

It's not Alabama that's good. It's Saban. He was their third choice. They got lucky. When he's gone they will slide back to the pack. Until then we can still a few here and there. It is what it is. 

They did have a little success pre-Saban. Multiple National and SEC titles for instance. 

[alexava 6,973]

38 minutes ago, Gowebb11 said:

They did have a little success pre-Saban. Multiple National and SEC titles for instance. 

Between Bear and Saban we were better overall. 

[gr82b4au 5,568]

2014 should have been the year we finally had back to back 10 wins but our defense was TERRIBLE. Only au defense I saw that was worse was 2012. 

[Rednilla 5,391]

20 hours ago, DAG said:

No I am under the impression that you think it is not the most important thing , which it IS. If it wasn't , we would not spend the millions of dollars into our football department on head coaches.  Of course when I said this , you wanted to take a pot shot and throw out a generalization meant to have a negative connotation . You can believe what you want to believe in , but don't get mad when people don't agree with your assessment.

Oh good grief. I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings, it was unintentional. The pot shot, as you call it, was my frustration coming out, and was directed at no one in particular even if it was in my reply to you.

I know full well that winning is a priority. I even believe that winning is the most important thing in college football, and I dare you to find where I said otherwise. What bothered me was the notion that it's the ONLY thing that carries weight; as I said, that's something I simply cannot agree with. There has to be more that carries weight, or else it's nothing but semi-pro ball, and nothing else matters (after all, that's what "carrying weight" means). Yes, I know exceptions are made for athletes, as they should be. After all, they have to put in a great amount of work outside the classroom just to be able to compete.

I'll even go one farther and say that without winning, the rest is going to get overlooked, and coaches' heads are going to be on the chopping block...but that does NOT take away from the weight everything else carries with it for each and every one of those athletes long after their playing days are over. 

[DAG 33,983]

3 hours ago, Rednilla said:

Oh good grief. I'm sorry that I hurt your feelings, it was unintentional. The pot shot, as you call it, was my frustration coming out, and was directed at no one in particular even if it was in my reply to you.

I know full well that winning is a priority. I even believe that winning is the most important thing in college football, and I dare you to find where I said otherwise. What bothered me was the notion that it's the ONLY thing that carries weight; as I said, that's something I simply cannot agree with. There has to be more that carries weight, or else it's nothing but semi-pro ball, and nothing else matters (after all, that's what "carrying weight" means). Yes, I know exceptions are made for athletes, as they should be. After all, they have to put in a great amount of work outside the classroom just to be able to compete.

I'll even go one farther and say that without winning, the rest is going to get overlooked, and coaches' heads are going to be on the chopping block...but that does NOT take away from the weight everything else carries with it for each and every one of those athletes long after their playing days are over. 

 

Didn't hurt my feelings at all. Just be ready for the response. I know some of you MODs are quick to throw warnings out, even if it is initiated.

[Rednilla 5,391]

35 minutes ago, DAG said:

Didn't hurt my feelings at all. Just be ready for the response. I know some of you MODs are quick to throw warnings out, even if it is initiated.

I'm not that kind of MOD.

[AUsince72 11,084]

16 hours ago, alexava said:

It's not Alabama that's good. It's Saban. He was their third choice. They got lucky. When he's gone they will slide back to the pack. Until then we can still a few here and there. It is what it is. 

 

15 hours ago, Gowebb11 said:

They did have a little success pre-Saban. Multiple National and SEC titles for instance. 

My 2 tarnished pennies... You're both right.

The REC will never allow Bammer to fall into oblivion but they were "mere mortals" in between bear and saban.

The narrative that I'll stick to til I'm proven wrong is that they were blessed by the un-holy (hyperbole for those who take it TOO seriously) with a perfect storm of saban as HC at a time when Emmert is heading up the ncaa.  It's simply an inside job.

Sure, I admit Saban's a good coach but when you can push the envelope, tear the envelope, crap on the envelope, throw the envelope in the trash (with plenty evidence over the years) but you get treated like Jim Comey for Hillary (sure the evidence shows he did it but let's look at those pretty unicorns instead)...

Sure...winning is everything.  But I fault no-one who prefers to do it (or pulls for their team to do it) the right way and with some class & self-respect.

[bigbird 60,529]

25 minutes ago, Rednilla said:

I'm not that kind of MOD.

You're a Mod?

 

[Rednilla 5,391]

1 minute ago, bigbird said:

You're a Mod?

 

Apparently...

[War to the Eagle 364]

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[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

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“Las Vegas sportsbook operator CG Technology has released its win totals for college football teams for the 2017 season (via ESPN)… Auburn 8”

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[Tiger 8,826]

I have only bet on AU on 2 separate occasions in my life. 1997 when our Dameyune Craig led Tigers took us to face Peyton Manning and UT in the SEC Championship game -- we lost by 1 point. It was a non-monetary bet but still.

And prior to the 2014 season I put money on Jeremy Johnson winning the Heisman, AU winning the SEC, and AU winning the national title. Yep that was pretty much out the window after the first month.

I really want to put some money on AU this year (I'd take the over in @AUld fAUx@'s link) as I see we are going to have some semi-favorable odds involving our team but I'm scared lol

 

[AUld fAUx@ 2,584]

33 minutes ago, Tiger said:

I have only bet on AU on 2 separate occasions in my life. 1999 when our Dameyune Craig led Tigers took us to face Peyton Manning and UT in the SEC Championship game -- we lost by 1 point. It was a non-monetary bet but still.

And prior to the 2014 season I put money on Jeremy Johnson winning the Heisman, AU winning the SEC, and AU winning the national title. Yep that was pretty much out the window after the first month.

I really want to put some money on AU this year (I'd take the over in @AUld fAUx@'s link) as I see we are going to have some semi-favorable odds involving our team but I'm scared lol

 

Third's a charm? If you pull the trigger, sincere best wishes.

Couldn't get my daughter to renew our annual 6-pack bet on the 2010 Iron Bowl until we were down 21 (bet made by phone, 'cause she was at the stadium). Served her right.