Altima 200 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Here's the situation in a nutshell. There are 4 coaches that have taken two schools to bcs games. Four. One of them has fallen into Auburn's lap, almost like a gift from God. But you people, who are claiming to know more football than CBS broadcasters, think we should pass on him. For whom? A guy with less than a year's experience, that has averaged 5 losses a year without cam, who was a part of putting auburn in the mess we are in. And I haven't even discussed the fact that the majority of his career has been spent in high school. Nor have I discussed his complete lack of qb evaluation. I'm all for independent thought, just not when it's so ignorant. But this obviously isn't the Auburn way...? I think some in the Auburn "family" want to be "just ok" in sports. People want a scout leader instead of a hard nosed football coach. Auburn fans on here say don't want to be like bammer, but dang, look what they're doing... 3 Natty's in 4 years. Heck, I would love for our program to be where bammers is! I want to get the best coach and compete for championships EVERY year!!! Not a gimicky coordinator! Gr8, you and Weegs bring the best arguments. It's called being a competitor... A big-time coach will put us in the best position to COMPETE! HA! First you want to hang your hat on Petrino and now GR8 and Weegs? HA! When did I mention Petrino in my post...? I said we need a hard-nosed coach! You didn't need to. You had GR8 and Weegs do it for you. See what happens when you let those two represent you! Those two don't "represent" me... We just agree that we would be settling if we hire Malzahn. He isn't ready. What is his record without Cam? He's never developed talent. He's partly responsible for the situation our program is in... To many question marks around him put him in charge of our program. Just my OPINION though... I'm not digging at you. I just trying to jab at Gr8 and Weegs. We've been in this debate for over a week now. However, you mistaken about asking "what is his record without Cam?". The real question should be, what is his record in spite of Chizik. respect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kickerman97 3 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Alabama could have been running the HUNH and he would have said that. The goons are two huge bama homers. :homer:/> It's been my experience that the only people that don't want Petrino to be the next Auburn coach are bama homers. Don't worry, it's perfectly OK to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Here's the situation in a nutshell. There are 4 coaches that have taken two schools to bcs games. Four. One of them has fallen into Auburn's lap, almost like a gift from God. But you people, who are claiming to know more football than CBS broadcasters, think we should pass on him. For whom? A guy with less than a year's experience, that has averaged 5 losses a year without cam, who was a part of putting auburn in the mess we are in. And I haven't even discussed the fact that the majority of his career has been spent in high school. Nor have I discussed his complete lack of qb evaluation. I'm all for independent thought, just not when it's so ignorant. But this obviously isn't the Auburn way...? I think some in the Auburn "family" want to be "just ok" in sports. People want a scout leader instead of a hard nosed football coach. Auburn fans on here say don't want to be like bammer, but dang, look what they're doing... 3 Natty's in 4 years. Heck, I would love for our program to be where bammers is! I want to get the best coach and compete for championships EVERY year!!! Not a gimicky coordinator! Gr8, you and Weegs bring the best arguments. It's called being a competitor... A big-time coach will put us in the best position to COMPETE! HA! First you want to hang your hat on Petrino and now GR8 and Weegs? HA! When did I mention Petrino in my post...? I said we need a hard-nosed coach! You didn't need to. You had GR8 and Weegs do it for you. See what happens when you let those two represent you! Those two don't "represent" me... We just agree that we would be settling if we hire Malzahn. He isn't ready. What is his record without Cam? He's never developed talent. He's partly responsible for the situation our program is in... To many question marks around him put him in charge of our program. Just my OPINION though... His record without Cam? I don't understand how it can be put into that context when he wasn't the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southga tiger 0 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning4AU 405 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 His record without Cam is still better than Chizik's record w/out Cam. Without a shadow of a doubt it's an improvement in terms of HC. Is it the best possible hire? Hell no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CleCoTiger 1,957 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. That's right. Any coaching record by any coach anywhere who wins games with great players doesn't count. All those games Shug won with Sullivan and Beasley? All those games Dye won with Bo? The games Tubs won with Campbell, Cadillac and Ronnie? None of them count. None of 'em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southga tiger 0 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Like Meyer can't win without Tebow o wait he won with Braxton Miller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. It counts IMO but some over count it. If fans/media judged and graded Chiz without Cam why shouldn't they do the same if Gus is a potential HC candidate? JS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martinisat5 5 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Take a look at the search committee to see who we might hire as the next head coach. Two played for Shug and two played for Dye. If any two coaches in Auburns history are more alike, I don't know who it could be.both were tough, demanding, disciplinarians that would accept nothing less than 100%. Whom, among all the candidates can or will fit this profile. If anyone you know has this type personality that is our man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 His record without Cam is still better than Chizik's record w/out Cam. Without a shadow of a doubt it's an improvement in terms of HC. Is it the best possible hire? Hell no. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Take a look at the search committee to see who we might hire as the next head coach. Two played for Shug and two played for Dye. If any two coaches in Auburns history are more alike, I don't know who it could be.both were tough, demanding, disciplinarians that would accept nothing less than 100%. Whom, among all the candidates can or will fit this profile. If anyone you know has this type personality that is our man. I like this logic! Hope that will be the case! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike4AU 1,739 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Take a look at the search committee to see who we might hire as the next head coach. Two played for Shug and two played for Dye. If any two coaches in Auburns history are more alike, I don't know who it could be.both were tough, demanding, disciplinarians that would accept nothing less than 100%. Whom, among all the candidates can or will fit this profile. If anyone you know has this type personality that is our man. I agree. And this is why I think AU will get a really good coach. One whose players will be physically and mentally tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. It counts IMO but some over count it. If fans/media judged and graded Chiz without Cam why shouldn't they do the same if Gus is a potential HC candidate? JS. Are we assuming Gus had absolute control over the offense his final year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leglessdan 1,934 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Hard to argue that he is wrong. Like it or not...Bama has the hardware to prove it! With that said , so do we. And Fla, Ok, Texas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southga tiger 0 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. It counts IMO but some over count it. If fans/media judged and graded Chiz without Cam why shouldn't they do the same if Gus is a potential HC candidate? JS. I believe things would be different if Gus was the HC and not Chizik the overall things fall on Chizik , Gus could only do so much he did his part as OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. It counts IMO but some over count it. If fans/media judged and graded Chiz without Cam why shouldn't they do the same if Gus is a potential HC candidate? JS. Are we assuming Gus had absolute control over the offense his final year? Love how people throw in the BUT statement for Gus but no other candidates. Quite amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I believe Gus could do well as HC, however he's probably 4th or 5th on my short list, which goes: Patterson, Fisher, Peterson, Fisher, Malzahn, and lastly Petrino. Nice REALISTIC list! Hope our Admin's list is the similar! Great list... Right order Nah, he's got Fisher and Fisher reversed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. so i guess you are for hiring gary danielson....what a joke. Yeah, I am now firmly for the spread. Just kidding. But, really, Verne, you and Gary have to get off the Bama bus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle1983 2,185 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Hard to argue that he is wrong. Like it or not...Bama has the hardware to prove it! With that said , so do we. And Fla, Ok, Texas Recent hardware...and Bama's hardware just keeps going and going. People's hate for Bama blind common sense. I dislike it just like any other Auburn fan but face it as long as they have Nickey they are going to keep stock piling SEC & NC's until someone other the LSU can give them a run for their money. It's going to take more than a spread offense to contend with Bama each year. Everyone likes to think that is only way to beat them but that is not true. It's time for Auburn to go big or go home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Here's the situation in a nutshell. There are 4 coaches that have taken two schools to bcs games. Four. One of them has fallen into Auburn's lap, almost like a gift from God. But you people, who are claiming to know more football than CBS broadcasters, think we should pass on him. For whom? A guy with less than a year's experience, that has averaged 5 losses a year without cam, who was a part of putting auburn in the mess we are in. And I haven't even discussed the fact that the majority of his career has been spent in high school. Nor have I discussed his complete lack of qb evaluation. I'm all for independent thought, just not when it's so ignorant. But this obviously isn't the Auburn way...? I think some in the Auburn "family" want to be "just ok" in sports. People want a scout leader instead of a hard nosed football coach. Auburn fans on here say don't want to be like bammer, but dang, look what they're doing... 3 Natty's in 4 years. Heck, I would love for our program to be where bammers is! I want to get the best coach and compete for championships EVERY year!!! Not a gimicky coordinator! Gr8, you and Weegs bring the best arguments. It's called being a competitor... A big-time coach will put us in the best position to COMPETE! HA! First you want to hang your hat on Petrino and now GR8 and Weegs? HA! When did I mention Petrino in my post...? I said we need a hard-nosed coach! You didn't need to. You had GR8 and Weegs do it for you. See what happens when you let those two represent you! Those two don't "represent" me... We just agree that we would be settling if we hire Malzahn. He isn't ready. What is his record without Cam? He's never developed talent. He's partly responsible for the situation our program is in... To many question marks around him put him in charge of our program. Just my OPINION though... I'm not digging at you. I just trying to jab at Gr8 and Weegs. We've been in this debate for over a week now. However, you mistaken about asking "what is his record without Cam?". The real question should be, what is his record in spite of Chizik. Yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarEagle10 77 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Hard to argue that he is wrong. Like it or not...Bama has the hardware to prove it! With that said , so do we. And Fla, Ok, Texas Recent hardware...and Bama's hardware just keeps going and going. People's hate for Bama blind common sense. I dislike it just like any other Auburn fan but face it as long as they have Nickey they are going to keep stock piling SEC & NC's until someone other the LSU can give them a run for their money. It's going to take more than a spread offense to contend with Bama each year. Everyone likes to think that is only way to beat them but that is not true. It's time for Auburn to go big or go home. Most teams can't recruit like bama does, for whatever reason. Again, bama's O does not win for them. If you want to copy something from bama, copy their D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quietmaninthecorner 1,945 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ted Roof was just as responsible for 2010 as Gus. Roof is also having a good year, I wouldn't take the risk of either of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leglessdan 1,934 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Hard to argue that he is wrong. Like it or not...Bama has the hardware to prove it! With that said , so do we. And Fla, Ok, Texas Recent hardware...and Bama's hardware just keeps going and going. People's hate for Bama blind common sense. I dislike it just like any other Auburn fan but face it as long as they have Nickey they are going to keep stock piling SEC & NC's until someone other the LSU can give them a run for their money. It's going to take more than a spread offense to contend with Bama each year. Everyone likes to think that is only way to beat them but that is not true. It's time for Auburn to go big or go home. I agree with you to an extent, but I feel its more relative to having a strong D verses what kind of offense you have. You can have both, Oklahoma is a good example. As well as our 2010 team, and didn't really have a dominant D then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUbritt 611 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Did everyone catch Gary Danielson's comment tonight? He said, "This is the offense that you run if you are an elite college football team". He wasn't talking about the spread. Hard to argue that he is wrong. Like it or not...Bama has the hardware to prove it! With that said , so do we. And Fla, Ok, Texas Recent hardware...and Bama's hardware just keeps going and going. People's hate for Bama blind common sense. I dislike it just like any other Auburn fan but face it as long as they have Nickey they are going to keep stock piling SEC & NC's until someone other the LSU can give them a run for their money. It's going to take more than a spread offense to contend with Bama each year. Everyone likes to think that is only way to beat them but that is not true. It's time for Auburn to go big or go home. I don't think the spread is the only way to beat Bama. I do think a fast tempo offense helps (whether it's spread or not). I would love the kind of D we had when Rocker was playing for us. Or Groves. Or Spikes. I am totally for it. Love the D. Just don't understand the hostility toward scoring lots of points. I'm not convinced that having a prolific O means a bad D. Just don't buy it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PigskinPat 2,579 Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I guess nothing counts with Cam. It counts IMO but some over count it. If fans/media judged and graded Chiz without Cam why shouldn't they do the same if Gus is a potential HC candidate? JS. Are we assuming Gus had absolute control over the offense his final year? Love how people throw in the BUT statement for Gus but no other candidates. Quite amusing. What's even more amusing is that my statement didn't have a but in it and yours did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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