New DB Coach discussion (Merged)

[GwillMac6 20,689]

3 hours ago, ellitor said:

Yup. All you have to do as a coach is recruit and twittle your thumbs. There's nothing else to it. That's why we have had 5 straight Top 10 classes but only 1 Top 10 finish on the field. Please stop while you are behind.

I lay that at the feet strictly of  Gus.  Our position coaches for the most part with a couple of exceptions are really good would you not agree? This has been a pattern during the 4 years of the malzahn era repeatedly no matter who the position coaches are. He does not get the most out of our talent. He usually wastes it. It is a reflection of the head coach. 

[TitanTiger 20,499]

6 hours ago, cole256 said:

Two sides the Idk camp and the get in line camp

No, there's a third camp.  The "terrible hire" camp.  It's not based on any actual knowledge, but it's said confidently.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

11 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

I have heard for a long time Steele is known as a great recruiter what top level guys has he helped on since he has been here?

http://247sports.com/Coach/Kevin-Steele-2053/AllTimeRecruits

Some names:  Arden Key, Kerry Murphy, Barrett Jones, Rod Woodson (Alabama), Marquis Maze.  Multiple 4-stars.  Tyler Love was a 5-star even if he didn't pan out in college.

[TitanTiger 20,499]

12 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

can I not post my initial thoughts on a guy without doing any research?  Knee jerk reactions not a thing anymore? Here is his recruiting profile. Obviously does not include his year at mizzou. http://247sports.com/Coach/Greg-Brown-159

Knee jerk reactions are fine.  But when someone pushes back on it, you ought to show some willingness to adjust and admit you're going on nothing substantive.

I don't know whether he'll be great or not.  I'm not convinced right now that if we had to choose between "killer recruiter" and "excellent teacher at the position" that we go with recruiter at the expense of teacher.  Obviously you'd like to have a guy who is both, but there aren't a ton of those guys looking to make lateral moves.

[aujeff11 6,243]

Seems like an underwhelming hire.

Who here thinks this guy is an upgrade over Mcgriff? 

Based on his coaching history, we cannot depend on him being here next year. Two thoughts on that.

- Recruiting- Opposing coaches could negatively recruit the fact that our DB coach position has been a revolving door lately and that the current DB coach is nothing more than a journeyman DB coach that will soon continue the revolving door.

-If he is a bad fit, he is probably only here a year anyway. 

[JMassie11 1,610]

Everyone panic the sky is falling.....some of you sound as if we should have hired a DC from someone as the DB coach. It's a good hire that should pick up where He left off. 

[Tiger 8,829]

From my ignorant viewpoint we could've made a better hire but we also could've made a much worse one. It could've been a Kodi level hire I'm glad we got someone who won't need to learn on the job

[aujeff11 6,243]

20 minutes ago, JMassie11 said:

Everyone panic the sky is falling.....some of you sound as if we should have hired a DC from someone as the DB coach. It's a good hire that should pick up where He left off. 

Some people want stability and a DB coach that can recruit. Doesn't mean they're panicking. If Gus doesn't get his s*** together, this guy will be gone anyway.

 

[AUIH1 1,515]

4 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

Some people want stability and a DB that can recruit. Doesn't mean they're panicking. If Gus doesn't get his s*** together, this guy would be gone anyway.

 

This.  The whole staff is on a 1 year contract right now.  If Gus wets the bed again next year, most if not all of the current staff will be gone.

 

wde

[corchjay 5,311]

9 minutes ago, AUIH1 said:

This.  The whole staff is on a 1 year contract right now.  If Gus wets the bed again next year, most if not all of the current staff will be gone.

 

wde

I didn't know we had a member of the board of directors here.  All these people saying Gus has to win 10 games or he is gone has no clue if that is correct or not.  Geez let it play out.

[Tiger 8,829]

2 minutes ago, corchjay said:

I didn't know we had a member of the board of directors here.  All these people saying Gus has to win 10 games or he is gone has no clue if that is correct or not.  Geez let it play out.

I think, well at least in my case, these magic number of wins he needs to reach (in my case it's 9 in the regular season) is just personal opinion on what the floor of acceptability is. I don't think anyone is claiming to know that if he doesn't reach X number of wins he is out the door. 

[aujeff11 6,243]

Just now, corchjay said:

I didn't know we had a member of the board of directors here.  All these people saying Gus has to win 10 games or he is gone has no clue if that is correct or not.  Geez let it play out.

10 games is just an arbitrary number that you pulled out of the hat. Gus has to do a lot to convince his boss and his fanbase that Auburn is back in the right direction. Beating the rivals and actually scoring TD's against the good defenses are just a couple things he has to do. The SEC is home to a lot of talented defenses. Have to be able to score on them if you're going to draw a paycheck as a HC with an offensive mindset.

[abw0004 10,125]

2 hours ago, TitanTiger said:

No, there's a third camp.  The "terrible hire" camp.  It's not based on any actual knowledge, but it's said confidently.

And the "I don't like him because how he looks" camp."  There are surprising a few people that feel that way.

57 minutes ago, aujeff11 said:

Who here thinks this guy is an upgrade over Mcgriff? 

I do.  Now I haven't seen him coach, so I won't pretend like I know what I am talking about.  BUT, everyone knew Mcgriff was going to be a one and done like Muschamp.  I think Brown will be like Steele and be content with staying.  That helps recruiting because the recruits know that will be their coach, not wondering, "When does he leave when there is a new offer?"  They have also worked together, which is a plus.  I did not see as much development under Mcgriff as I expected.  I saw a few improvements like pushing up on the receiver and not being as scared of them.  But anyone can teach that.  I think Carlton could have been developed a tad better (although he played well, not saying he didn't).  Mcgriff was a good father figure, I will give him that.  People like Tray Matthews looked up to him.  But so was Gene Chizik.  I think we at least need to give Brown some time.  Hey the detractors hated Steele's hire, and so far that was one of Malzahn's best moves.  Let's give the old white guy with a 70's haircut some slack!

[johnnyAU 3,634]

I bet the difference between this coach and McGriff won't be much of a factor, if even noticeable.

Gus needs to fix his issues on offense. Plain and simple. His future is tied directly to his ability or failure to evolve and correct the issues on that side of the ball for the last two years. 

[Tiger 8,829]

You guys are looking at it all wrong, it doesn't matter what Greg Brown looks like. What's more important is what Brown's WIFE looks like. That's how we can assess if he's a good recruiter or not. Right, James Franklin?

[aujeff11 6,243]

15 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

BUT, everyone knew Mcgriff was going to be a one and done like Muschamp.

Nobody or less than everybody knew this..I have a hunch you cannot prove your claim.

 

15 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

I think Brown will be like Steele and be content with staying.

Pure speculation. History says otherwise.

 

15 minutes ago, abw0004 said:

I did not see as much development under Mcgriff as I expected.  I saw a few improvements like pushing up on the receiver and not being as scared of them.  

Mcgriff was a great coach and is already a better recruiter. You can try to spin Brown into an upgrade but he isn't.

[ellitor 33,108]

38 minutes ago, corchjay said:

I didn't know we had a member of the board of directors here.  All these people saying Gus has to win 10 games or he is gone has no clue if that is correct or not.  Geez let it play out.

He has to win at least 9 with 1 of those being Bama or UGA. I will bet anyone on it.

[oracle79 3,569]

^^^^^^Minimum^^^^^^  But, exactly how I feel.

[JMassie11 1,610]

1 hour ago, ellitor said:

He has to win at least 9 with 1 of those being Bama or UGA. I will bet anyone on it.

Would have to agree with this. I asked everyone last month if the mindset would have been different with the same record but the loss being from LSU instead of UGA

[AUwent 3,755]

Pick off two of Clemson, LSU, Georgia and UAT, and beat everyone else.

[autigeremt 6,652]

2 hours ago, ellitor said:

He has to win at least 9 with 1 of those being Bama or UGA. I will bet anyone on it.

Yep! He's on the clock. Does he want to stay at Auburn or does he want to sell his house? 

[ellitor 33,108]

36 minutes ago, AUwent said:

Pick off two of Clemson, LSU, Georgia and UAT, and beat everyone else.

He can loss 3 of those & win out IMO( if 1 of the wins is Bama or UGA.. He may be able to win 10 losing to both Bama & UGA but I would not put money on it. That would be a 4th straight year losing to both which I don't think has ever happened at AU.

[WarDamnEagleWDE 12,737]

5 minutes ago, ellitor said:

He can loss 3 of those & win out IMO( if 1 of the wins is Bama or UGA.. He may be able to win 10 losing to both Bama & UGA but I would not put money on it. That would be a 4th straight year losing to both which I don't think has ever happened at AU.

Going 1and 3 in year 5 against those teams and he is gone. Better beat 2 With one being uga or uat. In fact getting beat 4 in a row by those two, gone. 

[ellitor 33,108]

21 minutes ago, WarDamnEagleWDE said:

Going 1and 3 in year 5 against those teams and he is gone. Better beat 2 With one being uga or uat. In fact getting beat 4 in a row by those two, gone. 

That's basically what I said in my other post. 9-3 with 1 ot hose being Bama or UGA may save him temporarily.

[mcgufcm 4,107]

@WarDamnEagleWDE, I bet a split coupled with a very good record would be good enough. That's my feel. If it's 10-2 with losses to UGA and Bama, I'd Bill Curry the guy.

As for Coach Brown, I think it's a good hire in the short term, and as many have said, Gus has to win now. That means, it's a good hire. The guy can coach. I don't view this as an upgrade over McGriff, but that was a rare home run hire. He was was over-qualified for the job, and we almost held him for two years. It sucked to lose Crime Dog. No way to make that better, but Coach Brown is a good coach. He could really have a positive impact on Carlton Davis. He's done it with CBs over and over.

Also, I'll be interested to see if the 10th staff member is a recruiting specialist. If so, that could fill the void left by Crime Dog in recruiting.