japantiger 4,058 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 A few observations from this list: Saban delivers to expectation...wins at recruiting and that translates onto the field Dabo - over achieves....#9 rank competes for #1 consistently on the field. UGA - delivers to expectation...barely behind Saban...playing for championships Oklahoma - over achieves...in the playoffs at the top of their conference consistently...blah blah blah Big 12 haters come on...facts are they recruit outside top 10 and are consistently in top 4 Texas A&M - under achievers...#11 ranking...way outside top 11 in performance...but that #11 ranking is skewed high by the last two years. #16 if you look at prior 3 years. So the real question is how long does it take to take to replace 2nd 10 recruiting tier talent with 1st tier recruiting talent into on-field success. Auburn, Michigan, Texas - chronic under performers ... all have one thing in common, over paid/over hyped coaches LSU - Ed O delivering on his predecessors talent and his own talent...only one bad recruiting year in last 5 (at #15, not awful); he certainly made the coaching moves he needed to to turn that offense around. He was smart enough to recognize the talent he had in Burrow and do what was needed to bring it out. So far, he gets an A+ in what he has done. I like it when the dumb-old-country-boy outwits all the "experts" and geniuses (meaning not geniuses at all; see Texas, Auburn, Michigan, etc.). He seems to be a good judge of on field and coaching talent. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-recruiting-rankings-schools-with-the-best-classes-on-average-over-the-past-five-years/ TEAM CONFERENCE FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Alabama SEC 2.4 1 1 7 1 2 Georgia SEC 2.8 7 3 1 2 1 Ohio State Big Ten 5.4 4 2 2 14 5 LSU SEC 6.8 3 7 15 5 4 Clemson ACC 9 10 16 6 10 3 Auburn SEC 9.6 9 9 12 11 7 Texas Big 12 10.4 11 26 3 3 9 Michigan Big Ten 10.6 5 5 21 8 14 Florida SEC 10.8 13 10 14 9 8 Oklahoma Big 12 11 21 8 9 6 11 Texas A&M SEC 11.6 19 12 17 4 6 Florida State ACC 11.6 2 6 11 17 22 Penn State Big Ten 13.6 20 15 5 13 15 Notre Dame Independent 13.6 15 11 10 15 17 Tennessee SEC 14.6 14 17 20 12 10 Oregon Pac-12 16.4 28 19 16 7 12 Miami ACC 16.8 22 13 8 28 13 USC Pac-12 18.2 8 4 4 20 55 Washington Pac-12 19.2 29 22 13 16 16 South Carolina SEC 20.4 26 21 19 18 18 Nebraska Big Ten 21.6 24 23 22 19 20 Stanford Pac-12 22.2 16 14 39 21 21 UCLA Pac-12 25.2 12 20 18 44 32 Ole Miss SEC 25.6 6 30 31 22 39 Mississippi State SEC 26.6 31 24 27 24 27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr82be 14,529 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 Looking at Texas A&M and FSU it's weird how they have the exact same average with Jimbo basically splitting his time at the two schools. Their recruiting fortunes have gone in opposite directions. Not surprising, just interesting how it would make an almost perfect X on a graph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAG 34,056 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 22 minutes ago, japantiger said: A few observations from this list: Saban delivers to expectation...wins at recruiting and that translates onto the field Dabo - over achieves....#9 rank competes for #1 consistently on the field. UGA - delivers to expectation...barely behind Saban...playing for championships Oklahoma - over achieves...in the playoffs at the top of their conference consistently...blah blah blah Big 12 haters come on...facts are they recruit outside top 10 and are consistently in top 4 Texas A&M - under achievers...#11 ranking...way outside top 11 in performance...but that #11 ranking is skewed high by the last two years. #16 if you look at prior 3 years. So the real question is how long does it take to take to replace 2nd 10 recruiting tier talent with 1st tier recruiting talent into on-field success. Auburn, Michigan, Texas - chronic under performers ... all have one thing in common, over paid/over hyped coaches LSU - Ed O delivering on his predecessors talent and his own talent...only one bad recruiting year in last 5 (at #15, not awful); he certainly made the coaching moves he needed to to turn that offense around. He was smart enough to recognize the talent he had in Burrow and do what was needed to bring it out. So far, he gets an A+ in what he has done. I like it when the dumb-old-country-boy outwits all the "experts" and geniuses (meaning not geniuses at all; see Texas, Auburn, Michigan, etc.). He seems to be a good judge of on field and coaching talent. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-recruiting-rankings-schools-with-the-best-classes-on-average-over-the-past-five-years/ TEAM CONFERENCE FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Alabama SEC 2.4 1 1 7 1 2 Georgia SEC 2.8 7 3 1 2 1 Ohio State Big Ten 5.4 4 2 2 14 5 LSU SEC 6.8 3 7 15 5 4 Clemson ACC 9 10 16 6 10 3 Auburn SEC 9.6 9 9 12 11 7 Texas Big 12 10.4 11 26 3 3 9 Michigan Big Ten 10.6 5 5 21 8 14 Florida SEC 10.8 13 10 14 9 8 Oklahoma Big 12 11 21 8 9 6 11 Texas A&M SEC 11.6 19 12 17 4 6 Florida State ACC 11.6 2 6 11 17 22 Penn State Big Ten 13.6 20 15 5 13 15 Notre Dame Independent 13.6 15 11 10 15 17 Tennessee SEC 14.6 14 17 20 12 10 Oregon Pac-12 16.4 28 19 16 7 12 Miami ACC 16.8 22 13 8 28 13 USC Pac-12 18.2 8 4 4 20 55 Washington Pac-12 19.2 29 22 13 16 16 South Carolina SEC 20.4 26 21 19 18 18 Nebraska Big Ten 21.6 24 23 22 19 20 Stanford Pac-12 22.2 16 14 39 21 21 UCLA Pac-12 25.2 12 20 18 44 32 Ole Miss SEC 25.6 6 30 31 22 39 Mississippi State SEC 26.6 31 24 27 24 27 Jim H has been a huge failure at UM imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,324 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 What's consistent here: we sit at #6, yet 3 names above us are on our schedule EVERY YEAR and 1 name above is on it TOO OFTEN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 -Talent doesn't guarantee you championships, but no talent guarantees no championships. -I'd really love to know how loosening NIL and transfer restrictions will make the rich suddenly get richer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WDE_OxPx_2010 5,324 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 2 minutes ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said: What's consistent here: we sit at #6, yet 3 names above us are on our schedule EVERY YEAR and 1 name above is on it TOO OFTEN. Also- what's the 5 year W/L record during that time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abw0004 10,139 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, japantiger said: A few observations from this list: UGA - delivers to expectation...barely behind Saban...playing for championships If UGA can reload this year like Clemson now can and Alabama has been doing I would concede this. For now, Smart is still winless against Saban and been to the playoffs only once. Georgia plays Alabama this year in the regular season so it will be interesting how that plays out. Their fans are starting to get restless with Smart, although he seemed to have smoothed things over getting rid of Cooley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japantiger 4,058 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 26 minutes ago, WDE_OxPx_2010 said: Also- what's the 5 year W/L record during that time? For Auburn, we've averaged 4.8 losses per season over the last 5 years...8.4 wins. 4 losses twice, 5 losses twice, 6 losses once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japantiger 4,058 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 minutes ago, abw0004 said: If UGA can reload this year like Clemson now can and Alabama has been doing I would concede this. For now, Smart is still winless against Saban and been to the playoffs only once. Georgia plays Alabama this year in the regular season so it will be interesting how that plays out. Their fans are starting to get restless with Smart, although he seemed to have smoothed things over getting rid of Cooley. Since Kirby got there they have won 11 per year; 3 out of 4 bowl games; played in 2 Sugar Bowls, a Rose Bowl College Football playoff game and won their division in the SEC 3 times.; they were second in his first season in their division. I'd take that over what we've got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abw0004 10,139 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 8 minutes ago, japantiger said: Since Kirby got there they have won 11 per year; 3 out of 4 bowl games; played in 2 Sugar Bowls, a Rose Bowl College Football playoff game and won their division in the SEC 3 times.; they were second in his first season in their division. I'd take that over what we've got. I wasn't comparing it to Auburn, I was comparing it to Alabama. If you put UGA in our division, would they have the same results? Probably not. It is the same thing with Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech saying they went to the ACC championship every other year due to the strength of their particular division. Either way, a lot of UGA fans here in Georgia are starting to wonder if Smart was any better than Richt. Their records are strangely similar. Usually that noise quiets down after NSD, and starts back up during the season. They are definitely talked about more with Smart however, so credit where credit is due. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUsince72 11,084 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, McLoofus said: -Talent doesn't guarantee you championships, but no talent guarantees no championships. -I'd really love to know how loosening NIL and transfer restrictions will make the rich suddenly get richer. Please forgive my ignorance but I've seen you post "NIL" at least twice now. What does this stand for please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McLoofus 35,182 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 1 hour ago, AUsince72 said: Please forgive my ignorance but I've seen you post "NIL" at least twice now. What does this stand for please? Name, image and likeness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUsince72 11,084 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 18 minutes ago, McLoofus said: Name, image and likeness Ahh, gotcha. Thank you sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japantiger 4,058 Posted February 26, 2020 Author Share Posted February 26, 2020 3 hours ago, abw0004 said: I wasn't comparing it to Auburn, I was comparing it to Alabama. If you put UGA in our division, would they have the same results? Probably not. It is the same thing with Paul Johnson at Georgia Tech saying they went to the ACC championship every other year due to the strength of their particular division. Either way, a lot of UGA fans here in Georgia are starting to wonder if Smart was any better than Richt. Their records are strangely similar. Usually that noise quiets down after NSD, and starts back up during the season. They are definitely talked about more with Smart however, so credit where credit is due. Looking at who they played this past year; they beat us and TAMU from the West. Loss to LSU like everyone else. So I'd say their record would be better than ours if they were in the West. Arky and the Miss's wouldn't beat them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auburnfan91 1,408 Posted February 26, 2020 Share Posted February 26, 2020 13 minutes ago, japantiger said: Looking at who they played this past year; they beat us and TAMU from the West. Loss to LSU like everyone else. So I'd say their record would be better than ours if they were in the West. Arky and the Miss's wouldn't beat them. They also beat UF, who we lost to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Browning4AU 405 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 5 hours ago, japantiger said: Since Kirby got there they have won 11 per year; 3 out of 4 bowl games; played in 2 Sugar Bowls, a Rose Bowl College Football playoff game and won their division in the SEC 3 times.; they were second in his first season in their division. I'd take that over what we've got. And we could've had it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dual-Threat Rigby 8,838 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 6 hours ago, McLoofus said: -Talent doesn't guarantee you championships, but no talent guarantees no championships. -I'd really love to know how loosening NIL and transfer restrictions will make the rich suddenly get richer. most of the problematic transfer situations have been guys going to smaller schools....I think itd make the game way better. Imagine if UK could play Joey ASAP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mims44 1,929 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 hours ago, japantiger said: A few observations from this list: Saban delivers to expectation...wins at recruiting and that translates onto the field Dabo - over achieves....#9 rank competes for #1 consistently on the field. UGA - delivers to expectation...barely behind Saban...playing for championships Oklahoma - over achieves...in the playoffs at the top of their conference consistently...blah blah blah Big 12 haters come on...facts are they recruit outside top 10 and are consistently in top 4 Texas A&M - under achievers...#11 ranking...way outside top 11 in performance...but that #11 ranking is skewed high by the last two years. #16 if you look at prior 3 years. So the real question is how long does it take to take to replace 2nd 10 recruiting tier talent with 1st tier recruiting talent into on-field success. Auburn, Michigan, Texas - chronic under performers ... all have one thing in common, over paid/over hyped coaches LSU - Ed O delivering on his predecessors talent and his own talent...only one bad recruiting year in last 5 (at #15, not awful); he certainly made the coaching moves he needed to to turn that offense around. He was smart enough to recognize the talent he had in Burrow and do what was needed to bring it out. So far, he gets an A+ in what he has done. I like it when the dumb-old-country-boy outwits all the "experts" and geniuses (meaning not geniuses at all; see Texas, Auburn, Michigan, etc.). He seems to be a good judge of on field and coaching talent. https://www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/college-football-recruiting-rankings-schools-with-the-best-classes-on-average-over-the-past-five-years/ TEAM CONFERENCE FIVE-YEAR AVERAGE 2016 2017 2018 2019 2020 Alabama SEC 2.4 1 1 7 1 2 Georgia SEC 2.8 7 3 1 2 1 Ohio State Big Ten 5.4 4 2 2 14 5 LSU SEC 6.8 3 7 15 5 4 Clemson ACC 9 10 16 6 10 3 Auburn SEC 9.6 9 9 12 11 7 Texas Big 12 10.4 11 26 3 3 9 Michigan Big Ten 10.6 5 5 21 8 14 Florida SEC 10.8 13 10 14 9 8 Oklahoma Big 12 11 21 8 9 6 11 Texas A&M SEC 11.6 19 12 17 4 6 Florida State ACC 11.6 2 6 11 17 22 Penn State Big Ten 13.6 20 15 5 13 15 Notre Dame Independent 13.6 15 11 10 15 17 Tennessee SEC 14.6 14 17 20 12 10 Oregon Pac-12 16.4 28 19 16 7 12 Miami ACC 16.8 22 13 8 28 13 USC Pac-12 18.2 8 4 4 20 55 Washington Pac-12 19.2 29 22 13 16 16 South Carolina SEC 20.4 26 21 19 18 18 Nebraska Big Ten 21.6 24 23 22 19 20 Stanford Pac-12 22.2 16 14 39 21 21 UCLA Pac-12 25.2 12 20 18 44 32 Ole Miss SEC 25.6 6 30 31 22 39 Mississippi State SEC 26.6 31 24 27 24 27 ehh, I'd put AU more in line with A&M. We recruit 4th best in conference... going off our finishes in SEC from last 5 years. 2019: 5th best team in conference. Slightly lower. 2018: 8th best underachieving 2017: 3rd best slightly overachieving 2016: 4th (UGA beat us as tie breaker) exactly where we should be 2015: bad enough that I refuse to type it out Also, depends on which sites rankings you use. Some have Florida right with us and A&M barely behind. Either way you lean though, gotta admit our recruiting is lacking... when our very best class of the past 5 years (7) is the same as our two biggest rivals worst classes of the past 5 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
japantiger 4,058 Posted February 27, 2020 Author Share Posted February 27, 2020 1 hour ago, Mims44 said: ehh, I'd put AU more in line with A&M. We recruit 4th best in conference... going off our finishes in SEC from last 5 years. 2019: 5th best team in conference. Slightly lower. 2018: 8th best underachieving 2017: 3rd best slightly overachieving 2016: 4th (UGA beat us as tie breaker) exactly where we should be 2015: bad enough that I refuse to type it out Also, depends on which sites rankings you use. Some have Florida right with us and A&M barely behind. Either way you lean though, gotta admit our recruiting is lacking... when our very best class of the past 5 years (7) is the same as our two biggest rivals worst classes of the past 5 years. Then your premise is ranking rules? That is, if you are #1, then you will automatically beat #2? There's no tier like many propose; that is, average ranking per recruiting class member above 90 means you are in the Super Elite class. Recruiting rules all? There's no development involved? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwillMac6 20,805 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 8 hours ago, DAG said: Jim H has been a huge failure at UM imo. Failure? I do not think so. 10 wins in 3 of his 5 seasons at Michigan. With a 9 win season this past season. But now Overrated and failing to live up to his own hype? Absolutely. I just do not think Michigan is as great of a job as the national media makes it out to be. The gap is A LOT further from Ohio State to Michigan than it is Alabama to Auburn. Michigan has 1 national title since 1948 (97). And yet the national media treats it like it is some top tier blue blood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredst 9,064 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 10 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said: Failure? I do not think so. 10 wins in 3 of his 5 seasons at Michigan. With a 9 win season this past season. But now Overrated and failing to live up to his own hype? Absolutely. I just do not think Michigan is as great of a job as the national media makes it out to be. The gap is A LOT further from Ohio State to Michigan than it is Alabama to Auburn. Michigan has 1 national title since 1948 (97). And yet the national media treats it like it is some top tier blue blood. They have the best fight song and helmets in CFB though, seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwillMac6 20,805 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, fredst said: They have the best fight song and helmets in CFB though, seriously HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!! Who has the best fight song is clearly predicated on who strikes up the band the most!!! No one does that better than ROCKY TOP! lol......... You think they have the best helmets? They basic AF vanilla white girl style to me! lmao. And not in the cool traditional kind of look like say a Penn St. I just think Michigan gets way to much media attention for being such a average program the past 2 decades. THEY ARE JUST MEHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fredst 9,064 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 7 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said: HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!! Who has the best fight song is clearly predicated on who strikes up the band the most!!! No one does that better than ROCKY TOP! lol......... You think they have the best helmets? They basic AF vanilla white girl style to me! lmao. And not in the cool traditional kind of look like say a Penn St. I just think Michigan gets way to much media attention for being such a average program the past 2 decades. I agree that they are over hyped but..... SIR!!SIR!! “HAIL TO THE VICTORS” JUST SCREAMS COLLEGE FOOTBALL TO ME. AND THIS: OVER THIS ? PUH-LEASE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GwillMac6 20,805 Posted February 27, 2020 Share Posted February 27, 2020 3 minutes ago, fredst said: I agree that they are over hyped but..... SIR!!SIR!! “HAIL TO THE VICTORS” JUST SCREAMS COLLEGE FOOTBALL TO ME. AND THIS: OVER THIS: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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