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State of the race, mid September

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2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

That is an incorrect assumption. We're not talking about one's yard or car. We're talking about your health and your body. Also, it is already that way. It is a cultural problem. Ask any healthcare provider. 

Agreed, but how/why has our culture gotten this way? 

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Do we have an issue with military personnel or other government contractors not getting paid?

Not often, but at times, yes, it's been a problem, and this is part of my point. You're looking at the static picture. Consider what could happen if our economic outlook severely declines, which isn't much of a stretch considering the national debt. What happens when non-payment to employees becomes more and more of an issue? Less will want to work if they aren't getting paid, or more likely, if they aren't getting paid what they thought they would when training for the field. What happens to health care when there aren't enough people to provide it? 

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

And yet, guns.

Not even remotely the same, and I think you know that. You have the right to own a gun. You do not have the right to use it to deprive someone of life, liberty, or property unless they are a legitimate aggressor to do the same to you or someone else.

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

And you're putting that on the patient as opposed to the insurance companies themselves? How about big pharma? You don't truly believe that the primary issue is patients getting care they don't need or actually using the benefits they pay for, do you? 

I'm not solely putting it on the patient, and I'm not saying it was all intentional, but there is no small responsibility there for the way things have changed. It's only human nature for things to be out-of-sight-out-of-mind, particularly when it's something you really don't care to deal with. And yes, many get care they don't need because they don't even know they don't need it.

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Apologies for the combative tone but I'm honestly quite taken aback by your response. 

Understood, considering most of my posts so far, but remember that I lean mostly Libertarian, so I'm certain we will disagree on a number of issues. We definitely share a hatred of Trump, however. 😁

2 hours ago, McLoofus said:

Let me ask you this: Why do you think socialized medicine works so well in so many other countries? And, yes, I can say for a fact that I know several people who have moved to the US and who desperately miss the healthcare in their country of origin. And these were people who paid their fair share of taxes in both places. 

I think the mistake you're making is assuming I'm totally against government supplied health care. My main point was that calling something a right when it comes down to an individual having to provide that right is beyond a slippery slope. If you label it a right, the end game is that someone has the authority to use force to make someone else provide that right. As unlikely as that actual scenario may be, that's what you are saying.

I'm not saying government health care couldn't or even shouldn't be implemented, and it may very well be the only thing that can save our system considering how ridiculous it's become. However, the vast majority of countries with socialized medicine began at completely different starting points and the approach was already fairly ingrained in their cultures. They also benefitted for a long time from advancements made in our health care systems, which theirs were able to get at much lower costs, particularly with pharmaceuticals. And their systems do still have problems. Wait times for surgeries tend to be much longer, and you are at the mercy of what treatments the government allows. Yes, it's the same with insurance, but more tends to be available, at least for now.

I think a solution can be made where government is the main provider and private entities take up some of the slack for things the government won't or shouldn't cover, but it's an intimidating task. We are a much larger country than most, with far more diversity and a large undercurrent of resentment and distrust toward government. Wish I could say I had the answers.

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7 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

@bigbird good graphic here showing the new folks in Texas since 2016

 

Here is a cool one that shows where they're coming from.

 

https://urbanobservatory.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MinimalGallery/index.html?appid=f26ab17257e34acd9e23c6a5fbdad3f5#viewer=d86da8adbbee4b308462337dd8bc1a40

 

https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2019/10/07/a-lot-of-people-are-moving-to-texas-this-map-shows-which-states-theyre-coming-from

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1 hour ago, bigbird said:

Here is a cool one that shows where they're coming from.

 

https://urbanobservatory.maps.arcgis.com/apps/MinimalGallery/index.html?appid=f26ab17257e34acd9e23c6a5fbdad3f5#viewer=d86da8adbbee4b308462337dd8bc1a40

 

https://www.sacurrent.com/the-daily/archives/2019/10/07/a-lot-of-people-are-moving-to-texas-this-map-shows-which-states-theyre-coming-from

Nevermind the wall between us and Mexico, we need one along all the bordering states. lol 

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11 hours ago, wdefromtx said:

Nevermind the wall between us and Mexico, we need one along all the bordering states. lol 

We could designate the area between El Paso, San Angelo, and Amarillo to be a 1 year mandatory acclimation zone for interstate migration. If after a year of living there and they want to remain, then they've earned it!

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2 hours ago, bigbird said:

We could designate the area between El Paso, San Angelo, and Amarillo to be a 1 year mandatory acclimation zone for interstate migration. If after a year of living there and they want to remain, then they've earned it!

Absolutely!!! Welcome to Monahan's b****es!!!

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1 minute ago, wdefromtx said:

Yeah they would. They would probably get run out of Alpine though. 

Alpine...the most deceptive name for any town ever

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13 minutes ago, wdefromtx said:

Side note....my dad is semi retired and lives in Terlingua. 

That is a cool place to visit. To live? Not for me...

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1 hour ago, wdefromtx said:

I can handle it in small doses. 

Goooooood read. Nothing but respect. 

https://www.amazon.com/Terlingua-Teacher-Remarkable-One-room-Schoolhouse/dp/0974504831

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9 minutes ago, ToraGirl said:

Goooooood read. Nothing but respect. 

https://www.amazon.com/Terlingua-Teacher-Remarkable-One-room-Schoolhouse/dp/0974504831

I could only imagine how things were back then. They actually have decent amenities now and cell service. They have two schools now.

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These are trump's people.  If you vote for him, you support terrorism.  

 

https://www.thedailybeast.com/biden-camp-cancels-austin-texas-event-after-pro-trump-ambush-on-campaign-bus

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3 minutes ago, SaturdayGT said:

So whats everyone's plans when Trump wins the election? 

A lot of beer. 

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14 minutes ago, Brad_ATX said:

Beer wouldn't come close to touching what I would need.

Fine I'll bring the acid if you bring the ganj. That's as far as I'm willing to go though. 

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11 minutes ago, AUDub said:

Fine I'll bring the acid if you bring the ganj. That's as far as I'm willing to go though. 

LOL!  Not gonna lie, I had a gummy for the time in a long while last night.  That **** hit me hard.

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