Hugh Freeze Resigns

[oracle79 3,569]

5 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

Can I catch a little break here?! haha

Yeah.  I only know cause my college roommate was a huge Nebraska fan.  I went with him to the 1982 Oklahoma game, and was one of the fans responsible for a penalty for running onto the field.  Tore down the goal posts too.  http://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1982-11-26-oklahoma  Fun times.

 

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Just now, oracle79 said:

Yeah.  I only know cause my college roommate was a huge Nebraska fan.  I went with him to the 1982 Oklahoma game, and was one of the fans responsible for a penalty for running onto the field.  Tore down the goal posts too.  http://dataomaha.com/huskers/history/game/1982-11-26-oklahoma  Fun times.

 

WOW!!! you are not my page? here I was thinking you were one of the under 30 crowd! lol. A lot of information I did not know is coming out today! haha.

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1 minute ago, GwillMac6 said:

one of the under 30 crowd

Only in my head...lol.

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Just now, oracle79 said:

Only in my head...lol.

haha touche!

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1 hour ago, oracle79 said:

Not sure I remember it that way.  Nebraska was elite from Devaney in the early 70's and throughout Osborne's tenure.  Osborne just could never win the big one, supposedly because he did things the right way. (If you discount the steroided up 5th year O-lineman they always seemed to have).  It wasn't until he recruited some less than choirboy types out of Cali and overlooked Lawrence Phillips' domestic violence allegations that he actually won some NC's.  But, they were always good under Osborne.  Heck, they fired his replacement Frank Solich because he only averaged 9 wins a year while he was there.  But yeah, Ole Miss was stupid.  You could believe getting a top 5 player in a class for them, but not all in the same year...lol.

Tom would take tons of Prop 48 kids when other conferences were not allowed......

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2 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

that offense still scares the crap out of me! shea is the real deal and those WRs are MASSIVE like they always have been under hugh freeze! It will be a way tougher game then people think. They will beat a couple they are not supposed to. I hope 1 of them is not us.....

Agree. Also the fact that their games against us, Bama and LSU are going to be like bowl games for them. I'm confident we beat them but i'm not expecting seperation until maybe late 3rd Q/ early 4thQ. I expect us to win by 14 - 17 when it's all said and done but I wouldn't be surprised if they end up 4th or 5th place in the SEC west. Still enough talent there to not make it easy for a number of teams.

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3 hours ago, GwillMac6 said:

In pro sports especially the NFL it is all about the here and now and who is good now. Sans the cowboys if you suck you do not get media attention no matter how storied your tradition is. In college all the blue bloods will dominate the news cycle and day even if they have been bad for years or mediocre see notre dame and Michigan before harbaugh and texas since colt mccoy. The NFL any team can get good overnight if they find that franchise QB. Raiders go from having a losing season every season since 2002 then they found Derek Carr and they will be perennial super bowl contenders now. Getting good overnight in college when you are a school like ole miss raises a lot of eyebrows. It will just never work the big boys get upset losing these star recruits to OLE MISS of all schools that they are not used to losing and the NCAA is bound to find something if they look hard enough. I don't think it is a conspiracy per say but It seems like it is always how it goes down when a team like ole miss gets good real fast. The NCAA puts them in their place and lets them know where they stand in the grand scheme of things. Perception is even among supposed un biased impartial media members that ole miss should not be doing this. They should not be recruiting this well and SOMETHING must be up. Yes something was up but what if the next time this happens to another school like ole miss they are innocent or at least clean enough but the media and fans will drag that non traditional school through the mud and perception becomes reality and there will always be a cloud over them. What if this happened with NeBraska? It took years for Tom Osbourne to build Nebraska to be taken seriously on a national level. If that happened in todays environment he probaly would of never been able to build them up from a decent program in to a powerhouse and team of the 90's.

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Perception isn't reality. People till this day swear we paid 180k to Cam Newton. Doesn't mean a single thing unless proven otherwise. Again, Ole Miss chose to cheat at a standard that was uncontrollable. That onus is on them. NOBODY ELSE FAULT.

The first bolded section of your comment is 110% not true, which leads me to believe you don't scour the ESPN Boards. That is one of the biggest complaints of ESPN users. When the Panthers had their run, do you think ESPN had a panther pride section? NO. There were constant sections and articles about Dez Bryant and the Drama of the Cowboys or the New York Giants with Tom Coughlin/OBJ and the Giants. Heck, even the JETS get pub. NBA. The Warriors have had an incredible run. My spurs have had success for 15 years now. The Lakers will always dominate their site. The Knicks, Carmelo and Phil Jackson to precedent last year, even when KD made his choice. Big Markets will always get a push because they get the most hits. That is life. Small market teams rarely get the pub. The big markets have their own beat writers hired by ESPN for a reason. There is a reason why you always see the Knicks play on prime time including Christmas day or even the Lakers even though they sucked. How many times in the last 15 years did the Spurs play on Christmas day?  You can be assured no matter their record, the Cowboys will get primetime slots and will always be on for turkey day. however, this is neither here nor there.

It wasn't about them getting good overnight. They were decent for a little bit. They never won an SEC-West crown or played for the SEC championship. Heck, they won two straight 9 win seasons under Houston Nutt, so it is not impossible for them to compete. The problem was they got that insane 2013 recruiting class out of nowhere, which raised EVERYONE'S eyebrow. Small and Big schools. You are kidding yourself if you think the big schools made the biggest fuss. Ole Miss wasn't recruiting better than those schools. Not at a consistent level. It was a Miss State fan who helped find the hidden piece to Freeze's demise. 

BTW, your Tom Osbourne quote is quite off as well. Ever heard of Bob Devaney? LOL. Tom Osbourne was the OC to his teams and Nebraska was still dominant prior to Osbourne being HC.

Either who, agree to disagree.

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5 hours ago, AU64 said:

Also, word gets around when coaches sense (or realize) that a player or his family is on the make.....and soon as the guy makes a decision, other coaches are likely to advise the NCAA to take a look.       Think back to Cam.....and the role that Mullens and Urban played.  In the case of OM..... a school suddenly over-achieving on the recruiting front was bound to draw scrutiny.  Problem is.....Freeze and his staff were just amateurs as far as covering their tracks was concerned.

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You get it. Everybody freaking cheats, but at least do it correctly if you are going to go all in. We see how good the Ole Miss brass is at being discrete...look at Hugh "Isaac Newton" Freeze decision to call an escort service on an employee phone.

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2 hours ago, lionheartkc said:

I think you've misread what people are saying about them.  Since Ole Miss beat bama twice, the REC is out to get them so every single little misstep Ole Miss made was being watched like a hawk and reported to the NCAA (at one point, back when Fulmer was still around, I read that it was rare for the NCAA to go a day without getting a call from a bama fan complaining about a rival cheating). So there was no conspiracy with the NCAA, but because they pissed off the bama machine, it made it so that they couldn't fly under the radar with the things that they were doing wrong.

That's the exact same reason that it's imperative that Auburn function as squeaky clean as possible. As bama's biggest rival, there are people who worship the crimson and white who go out of their way to try to find things to report on us, and if they find one that's true, we're toast.

That might be true, but it is not just BAMA. Do you think Arkansas is okay with Ole Miss recruiting that way? Or Mississippi State was okay with this new recently developed recruiting tactics? More so, my issue is people need to quit giving Bama credit for everything. We just had someone rationalize CGM issues due to trying to keep up with Bama. That is insane. BTW, AU doesn't need to be squeaky for the sake of Bama. Although it does help. AU needs to be squeaky clean period because we built a perception nationally. I don't know how many people travel outside the south, but my work allows me to travel to the west, east, etc. Being an AU grad, of course, I wear my gear. The country does not like us, folks and it has nothing to do with Bama. It has been brought about due to mishaps in the past and the presence of the Cam Newton case.  Therefore, we have no choice but to be on our Ps and Qs which we are.

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46 minutes ago, DAG said:

Perception isn't reality. People till this day swear we paid 180k to Cam Newton. Doesn't mean a single thing unless proven otherwise. Again, Ole Miss chose to cheat at a standard that was uncontrollable. That onus is on them. NOBODY ELSE FAULT.

The first bolded section of your comment is 110% not true, which leads me to believe you don't scour the ESPN Boards. That is one of the biggest complaints of ESPN users. When the Panthers had their run, do you think ESPN had a panther pride section? NO. There were constant sections and articles about Dez Bryant and the Drama of the Cowboys or the New York Giants with Tom Coughlin/OBJ and the Giants. Heck, even the JETS get pub. NBA. The Warriors have had an incredible run. My spurs have had success for 15 years now. The Lakers will always dominate their site. The Knicks, Carmelo and Phil Jackson to precedent last year, even when KD made his choice. Big Markets will always get a push because they get the most hits. That is life. Small market teams rarely get the pub. The big markets have their own beat writers hired by ESPN for a reason.  Neither here nor there.

It wasn't about them getting good overnight. They were decent for a little bit. They never won an SEC-West crown or played for the SEC championship. Heck, they won two straight 9 win seasons under Houston Nutt, so it is not impossible for them to compete. The problem was they got that insane 2013 recruiting class out of nowhere, which raised EVERYONE'S eyebrow. Small and Big schools. You are kidding yourself if you think the big schools made the biggest fuss. Ole Miss wasn't recruiting better than those schools. Not at a consistent level. It was a Miss State fan who helped find the hidden piece to Freeze's demise. 

BTW, your Tom Osbourne quote is quite off as well. Ever heard of Bob Devaney? LOL. Tom Osbourne was the OC to his teams and Nebraska was still dominant prior to Osbourne being HC.

Either who, agree to disagree.

Where exactly are we disagreeing on? haha.  I think we both are the mindset schools like ole miss have to cheat to get good. I agree with you they got caught because they were brazen about it and clearly did not have decades of experience covering their tracks! haha..... When I said little to no tradition I mean they are the only sec west school to never play in ATL besides necomer TAMU. I do not believe they have a conference title in almost 50 years! lol that is very little tradition. When I said getting good overnight that was mainly talking about the recruiting. Yah they had a couple of 9 win seasons back to back under nutt but once coach O recruits were gone the bottom fell off because houston nutt will never be confused with a good recruiter! haha. They could never sustain it. Hey Hey I owned the nebraska flub! I am so embarrassed by it and am SHAMED! In my world they were never good before the 90's!!! lol I am only 27. Cut me some slack maybe? O heck yah I am on espn all the time for this that and the other and always have it on even as just background fodder. I just never see this bias as much in pro sports as I do in college. Pro sports are going to talk about the biggest stars regardless where they are at. LeBron is the biggest sports star in the world and would be in minny, atlanta, LA, MILW you name it. Pro sports it is more about the player than the team. Yes there are a few brands that will always get preferable treatment BUT the way I see it it is not as much as college. Cam being a superstar athlete, exciting, on a lot of commercials central figure in the NFL world always keeps the panthers in the news and on the tip of everyones tongues. 

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7 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

Where exactly are we disagreeing on? haha.  I think we both are the mindset schools like ole miss have to cheat to get good. I agree with you they got caught because they were brazen about it and clearly did not have decades of experience covering their tracks! haha..... When I said little to no tradition I mean they are the only sec west school to never play in ATL besides necomer TAMU. I do not believe they have a conference title in almost 50 years! lol that is very little tradition. When I said getting good overnight that was mainly talking about the recruiting. Yah they had a couple of 9 win seasons back to back under nutt but once coach O recruits were gone the bottom fell off because houston nutt will never be confused with a good recruiter! haha. They could never sustain it. Hey Hey I owned the nebraska flub! I am so embarrassed by it and am SHAMED! In my world they were never good before the 90's!!! lol I am only 27. Cut me some slack maybe? O heck yah I am on espn all the time for this that and the other and always have it on even as just background fodder. I just never see this bias as much in pro sports as I do in college. Pro sports are going to talk about the biggest stars regardless where they are at. LeBron is the biggest sports star in the world and would be in minny, atlanta, LA, MILW you name it. Pro sports it is more about the player than the team. Yes there are a few brands that will always get preferable treatment BUT the way I see it it is not as much as college. Cam being a superstar athlete, exciting, on a lot of commercials central figure in the NFL world always keeps the panthers in the news and on the tip of everyones tongues. 

G Will I am 27 as well. No excuse for not knowing your football history haha

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Just now, DAG said:

G Will I am 27 as well. No excuse for not knowing your football history haha

haha LIES! you seem like you are 34! I mean that in a good way fwiw. To me knowing Tom Osbourne success IS KNOWING my college football history. I thought I was golden there. I honestly never gave them another thought. Time to never sleep on Nebraska again!  

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37 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

haha LIES! you seem like you are 34! I mean that in a good way fwiw. To me knowing Tom Osbourne success IS KNOWING my college football history. I thought I was golden there. I honestly never gave them another thought. Time to never sleep on Nebraska again!  

GWill and DAG both lit. And I'm 51, so there you go.

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2 hours ago, fredst said:

GWill and DAG both lit. And I'm 51, so there you go.

soooo does that mean you are old enough to be a goober?! lol

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30 minutes ago, GwillMac6 said:

soooo does that mean you are old enough to be a goober?! lol

Age has nothing to do with how big a goober you might be. You seem to be proof that they may be inversely related ?.....

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1 minute ago, fredst said:

Age has nothing to do with how big a goober you might be. You seem to be proof that they may be inversely related ?.....

I got GOT by a 51 year old man!!!! I FEEL BAMBOOZLED! WHAT IS HAPPENING?! haha

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You youngsters....SMH. Golf is proof that age is meaningless on a message board, lol.

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Just now, fredst said:

You youngsters....SMH. Golf is proof that age is meaningless on a message board, lol.

what if this whole time he played us for a fool and is really only 24?! haha #plottwist

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Just now, GwillMac6 said:

what if this whole time he played us for a fool and is really only 24?! haha #plottwist

Need a Nature Boy gif with that, btw.

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6 minutes ago, fredst said:

Need a Nature Boy gif with that, btw.

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12 hours ago, DAG said:

This is all over the place . Houston Nutt will became an enemy of Ole Miss when the administration including Hugh tried to throw him under the bus. Ole Miss knew what they were doing it and ole Hugh made a huge mistake to the benefit of Houston Nutt's defense team. They were indeed the one who really put the gasoline to the flame . Hugh Freeze is a hypocrite , he got caught up and the ole miss brand is to blame for where they are now . No amount of money would've stopped Nutt from going after them after they were seeking to go after his character .

We will never know what Houston Nutt's real motivation is.....but he wasn't a very successful coach.    Nothing anyone can say about him good or bad will change that. And he did have some of the violations during his tenure did he not? He is not totally innocent in this deal either and his character was not squeaky clean to start with. No one involved has any claim to football honor. The whole thing is a big mess and Ole Miss will spend 10 years in the dungeon of college football because of it. 

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8 hours ago, Tigerbelle said:

We will never know what Houston Nutt's real motivation is.....but he wasn't a very successful coach.    Nothing anyone can say about him good or bad will change that. And he did have some of the violations during his tenure did he not? He is not totally innocent in this deal either and his character was not squeaky clean to start with. No one involved has any claim to football honor. The whole thing is a big mess and Ole Miss will spend 10 years in the dungeon of college football because of it. 

Never hinted at Houston Nutt being a saint. I was responding to your statement saying "they should've thrown money at him to shut him up." That would not have worked as they already chose to make him the scapegoat to all of their problems. No amount of money in the world would've fixed that unless of course, they retracted their claims with an apology.

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On 7/29/2017 at 8:36 AM, DAG said:

Never hinted at Houston Nutt being a saint. I was responding to your statement saying "they should've thrown money at him to shut him up." That would not have worked as they already chose to make him the scapegoat to all of their problems. No amount of money in the world would've fixed that unless of course, they retracted their claims with an apology.

You apparently missed this in the first sentence......" We will never know what Houston Nutt's real motivation is" .  But human nature being what it is, and given the fact that Nutt hasn't worked in a while I'm betting that he would've loved a cash settlement and an agreement of some kind since he is guilty also. Working a deal with him would've been preferable to what will happen now.  

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Kids these days....  It's great to be old and full of real football knowledge.   Osborne...who did he coach again?  I think Ozzy was at Nebraska before he got into music.  

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6 hours ago, Tigerbelle said:

You apparently missed this in the first sentence......" We will never know what Houston Nutt's real motivation is" .  But human nature being what it is, and given the fact that Nutt hasn't worked in a while I'm betting that he would've loved a cash settlement and an agreement of some kind since he is guilty also. Working a deal with him would've been preferable to what will happen now.  

Didn't miss at all. A simple google search would tell you what his real motivation was

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/houston-nutt-seeking-apology-ole-miss-ncaa-violation-reaction-devastates-173204481.html

http://scout.com/college/arkansas/Article/Houston-Nutt-seeks-apology-from-Ole-Miss-74905365

http://www.al.com/sports/index.ssf/2017/05/houston_nutt_reportedly_asking.html

"Nutt said he believes the coverage of him as the bad guy has prevented him from landing another coaching job."

You still pushing this assumption that money ALONE will make things better is anyone's guess.