For all the Coach Prime fans …

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56 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I never attacked or belittled you at all. To infer otherwise is telling. 

I feel attacked.  The attack was personal and made me feel belittled. 

[NWALA Tiger 3,535]

I'm not trying to speak for Bird, but I think one of his big reasons for hiring Grimes is he has the best chance  to unite everyone at AU from the Yellow Fellow all the way down to the custodian in the Athletic Dept. Something that is and has been lacking and is a vital component to overall success

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36 minutes ago, Mikey said:

That's exactly why we need to trust the new AD and our University President. They will have information and insight that none of the rest of us have. I can live with Grimes or Sanders. Freeze, not so much. If they pull some other rabbit out of the hat, I'll support him too until he demonstrates otherwise.

While I would tend to agree with you past history tells us that the AD and Univeristy President  DO NOT always make the best decisions, they have made some downright awful decisions in the past, so blind trust in those folks is not always prudent...again just my opinion.

 

I do agree I will support whoever the select, I want the best for AU and hope that it works out but they have not always made the best decisions in the past.

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44 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

Why not Freeze,? Like u said the Prez and AD will have info we don't have. Maybe they have info that debunks some of the things said or written about Freeze 

It's just as likely the SEC Commissioner, AU Prez/AD have info on Freeze that was never made public.

Gotta remember that Houston Nutt's attorney's requested Freeze's phone records through FOIA for a tiny little snippet of time, and they found a number for the escort service.  That was all that was made public.   Ole Miss investigated and found a pattern of personal misconduct.  

Edited October 13, 2022 by JerryAU

[DAG 34,017]

1 hour ago, AUinMS9528 said:

Exactly!!!!   We’ve talked about this at least 100X!!!   A position coach, coordinator, and head coach have completely different skill sets, and a high level of success at one does not automatically mean success at another level.  
That’s why it’s a high priority to get someone with HC experience.  

There are several coordinators that will become successful HCs, but it’s difficult to tell until he does it.  That goes 1000X for fans who aren’t able to sit down and discuss vision, strategy, leadership, PR, and other factors with these potential candidates.   

Well for whatever reason , people think it is a quite easy transition to be a head coach. It is not as simple as calling plays and recruiting. 

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33 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

I'm not trying to speak for Bird, but I think one of his big reasons for hiring Grimes is he has the best chance  to unite everyone at AU from the Yellow Fellow all the way down to the custodian in the Athletic Dept. Something that is and has been lacking and is a vital component to overall success

Yes because he is an Auburn guy, I suppose. You know what else unite people ? Consistent progress and winning 

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6 minutes ago, JerryAU said:

It's just as likely the SEC Commissioner, AU Prez/AD have info on Freeze that was never made public.

Gotta remember that Houston Nutt's attorney's requested Freeze's phone records through FOIA for a tiny little snippet of time, and they found a number for the escort service.  That was all that was made public.   Ole Miss investigated and found a pattern of personal misconduct.  

to get sidetracked here a little bit -- why would houston nutts attorney have any interest in foia'ing freezes phone records? Sounds like a good story there

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28 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

I'm not trying to speak for Bird, but I think one of his big reasons for hiring Grimes is he has the best chance  to unite everyone at AU from the Yellow Fellow all the way down to the custodian in the Athletic Dept. 

If the primarily reason we fired Gus was that he could no longer compete with uga and bama, then I’m so lost in the woods by this logic.  How would wasting years, totally destroying recruiting, and vaporizing $10s of millions - just to fall back to a “solid” candidate many will have to google - unite the fan base? It’s Groundhog Day.
 

So Grimes is going to take on the Saban and Kirby machines? Dear lord.

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34 minutes ago, DAG said:

Yes because he is an Auburn guy, I suppose. You know what else unite people ? Consistent progress and winning 

Yeah funny how that goes hand in hand

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17 minutes ago, auburnatl1 said:

If the primarily reason we fired Gus was that he could no longer compete with uga and bama, then I’m so lost in the woods by this logic.  How would wasting years, totally destroying recruiting, and vaporizing $10s of millions - just to fall back to a “solid” candidate many will have to google - unite the fan base? It’s Groundhog Day.
 

So Grimes is going to take on the Saban and Kirby machines? Dear lord.

You totally missed the point

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2 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

You totally missed the point

I’m known for it. God I hope so.

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1 hour ago, NWALA Tiger said:

Let's look at this a different way. Let's take 3 of the most talked about candidates.. Grimes, Deion and Freeze.. Which one has the highest probability of causing  us to kick ourself 5 yrs down the road for not hiring him. Kinda like we do with Kirby now. That may tell us who we need to hire

Another question, which of the three might upset the current theme of UGA and Bama getting basically whoever they want in recruiting? Id say Sanders by a mile.

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2 hours ago, bigbird said:

Meta posted on this the other day. Let me try and find his response.

@DAG, here is what I was referring with regards to Baylor taking a step back.

On 10/12/2022 at 7:50 AM, metafour said:

They lost their Top 3 receivers (one of which was a 2nd round pick) and Top 2 RB's from last year's roster, all of whom graduated. That is a lot to lose for a school like Baylor all in one year; this isn't Alabama where they can just reload with the next batch of 5-stars the following year and everything keeps turning without a hitch.

Your "stats" on BYU are completely wrong as well. He was there from 2018-2020. 2020 was the season that Zach Wilson ended up being drafted 2nd overall and BYU was ranked in the ~Top 5 in total offense. So BYU most definitely did not "struggle" in his final season there. He started at Baylor the following year, in 2021.

 

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47 minutes ago, ThurstontheWelshCorgi said:

to get sidetracked here a little bit -- why would houston nutts attorney have any interest in foia'ing freezes phone records? Sounds like a good story there

It was a soap opera at the time.  Houston Nutt was a fantastic story IF you remember his time at Arkansas.  Arky fans FOIA'd Nutt's phone records and found hundreds of texts/calls to Donna Bragg (a female TV news woman).  Arkansas fans were brutal and flew planes over the field on game-day with banners to fire Nutt.  It was hilarious at the time.

Years later, after he was terminated from OM, Nutt filed a lawsuit against Ole Miss for defamation of character and named Hugh Freeze in the lawsuit. 

During the OM NCAA investigation, Freeze inappropriately made a comment publicly that the "investigation was tied to the former regime", i.e., Nutt's regime. 

Nutt got wind of Freeze's comment and filed a lawsuit, and while Nutt's attrny was building his case he FOIA's Freeze's company phone records for a specific time frame.  The escort number appeared on the company phone records, and everything blew up like a volcano from that point forward.  Freeze was terminated for breach contract (no buyout) for his pattern of personal misconduct.  Basically, Nutt unearthed Freeze's extra marital indiscretions and got Freeze fired.  

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36 minutes ago, JerryAU said:

It was a soap opera at the time.  Houston Nutt was a fantastic story IF you remember his time at Arkansas.  Arky fans FOIA'd Nutt's phone records and found hundreds of texts/calls to Donna Bragg (a female TV news woman).  Arkansas fans were brutal and flew planes over the field on game-day with banners to fire Nutt.  It was hilarious at the time.

Years later, after he was terminated from OM, Nutt filed a lawsuit against Ole Miss for defamation of character and named Hugh Freeze in the lawsuit. 

During the OM NCAA investigation, Freeze inappropriately made a comment publicly that the "investigation was tied to the former regime", i.e., Nutt's regime. 

Nutt got wind of Freeze's comment and filed a lawsuit, and while Nutt's attrny was building his case he FOIA's Freeze's company phone records for a specific time frame.  The escort number appeared on the company phone records, and everything blew up like a volcano from that point forward.  Freeze was terminated for breach contract (no buyout) for his pattern of personal misconduct.  Basically, Nutt unearthed Freeze's extra marital indiscretions and got Freeze fired.  

Amazing.

Great story!

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2 hours ago, NWALA Tiger said:

I'm not trying to speak for Bird, but I think one of his big reasons for hiring Grimes is he has the best chance  to unite everyone at AU from the Yellow Fellow all the way down to the custodian in the Athletic Dept. Something that is and has been lacking and is a vital component to overall success

That should tell you then how short sighted and poor judgment of people who have power have then if Grimes is the guy they all want (which isn’t close to being true). 

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1 hour ago, bigbird said:

@DAG, here is what I was referring with regards to Baylor taking a step back.

 

As I’ve said before, Grimes would have been a good candidate 10 years ago, because he would need time to get acclimated into being a head coach. In my opinion, he would be more of the same of on the job training and I don’t think the Auburn fan base as a whole will have the patience. Also, you have to remember that Texas and Oklahoma are coming in soon as well. So, Grimes would have to recruit against those teams as well never being a head coach and probably having a losing record his first year. Sorry, if a recruit has Saban, Smart, Sarkisian, Swinney and then Grimes, we know who wouldn’t have any chance. However, put Deion in that same group, we would absolutely have more chances with his name alone. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t think many of you are understanding what college football is becoming. It’s a business and semi-pro league now. We either need to get a coach who wins championships or a head coach who knows how to recruit and use the NIL to our advantage and sell Auburn’s brand. Grimes is a hire you would have made 10 years ago, but not now. Deion is the only one capable of breathing air back into our lifeless program and get the majority of the fans on board and excited. Unfortunately, I know we won’t go that route and we’ll do the typical JABA hire, so I won’t be surprised if it was Grimes or even a Clay Helton type coach…

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10 minutes ago, Auburnguy101 said:

As I’ve said before, Grimes would have been a good candidate 10 years ago, because he would need time to get acclimated into being a head coach. In my opinion, he would be more of the same of on the job training and I don’t think the Auburn fan base as a whole will have the patience. Also, you have to remember that Texas and Oklahoma are coming in soon as well. So, Grimes would have to recruit against those teams as well never being a head coach and probably having a losing record his first year. Sorry, if a recruit has Saban, Smart, Sarkisian, Swinney and then Grimes, we know who wouldn’t have any chance. However, put Deion in that same group, we would absolutely have more chances with his name alone. That’s all I’m saying. I don’t think many of you are understanding what college football is becoming. It’s a business and semi-pro league now. We either need to get a coach who wins championships or a head coach who knows how to recruit and use the NIL to our advantage and sell Auburn’s brand. Grimes is a hire you would have made 10 years ago, but not now. Deion is the only one capable of breathing air back into our lifeless program and get the majority of the fans on board and excited. Unfortunately, I know we won’t go that route and we’ll do the typical JABA hire, so I won’t be surprised if it was Grimes or even a Clay Helton type coach…

I agree that Deion would out recruit any of the other candidates.  I think he'd do great here.

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1 minute ago, bigbird said:

I agree that Deion would out recruit any of the other candidates.  I think he'd do great here.

I tried... I really tried 

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4 minutes ago, bigbird said:

I agree that Deion would out recruit any of the other candidates.  I think he'd do great here.

And I apologize if I come across as being crass, it’s hard to convey messages without it sometimes sounding I’m being combative. But, yea, I think so too but I just don’t know if Auburn would ever go that route. It’s just fun to think about, kind of therapeutic instead of thinking of the reality what will probably happen, haha

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10 minutes ago, Auburnguy101 said:

And I apologize if I come across as being crass, it’s hard to convey messages without it sometimes sounding I’m being combative. But, yea, I think so too but I just don’t know if Auburn would ever go that route. It’s just fun to think about, kind of therapeutic instead of thinking of the reality what will probably happen, haha

Nah, you're good!  I love the thought of Deion here. It'd be a blast.

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4 hours ago, bishoptf said:

While I would tend to agree with you past history tells us that the AD and Univeristy President  DO NOT always make the best decisions, they have made some downright awful decisions in the past, so blind trust in those folks is not always prudent...again just my opinion.

 

I do agree I will support whoever the select, I want the best for AU and hope that it works out but they have not always made the best decisions in the past.

What uni has “always made the best decisions “? I think it was Mikey that first brought up average unsuccessful/unpopular hires by university is about 1 out if 4. None if them get it right all the time.

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Coach Prime has my vote!

He's SWAC enough!!

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23 minutes ago, HAYinthemiddleoftheBARN said:

Coach Prime has my vote!

He's SWAC enough!!

I’m trying to imagine him and saban having a beer after an Aflac commercial session.  That’d be a spectator sport. Can you imagine an Iron Bowl? PPV worthy.

Edited October 14, 2022 by auburnatl1

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Well that was one helluva entertaining post game presser all around. I like both those guys at this point lol.