Payton Thorne

[PigskinPat 2,579]

52 minutes ago, NWALA Tiger said:

Let's move forward.. U think PT could lead us to 9 wins next yr or should we portal A QB?

I think we should portal a quarterback regardless of whether or not Thorne could lead us to 9 wins.

[Mims44 1,889]

Ok, so @cole256 @TexasTiger @SaltyTiger @NWALA Tiger @W.E.D @TitanTiger @bigbird

 

So can we all agree that PT played hard. The Auburn way .... of getting hard and staying hard.

While not necessarily playing 'great'?

 

Just seems to be a ton of nuance where there isn't a actual real disagreement to be had.

Just lots of "great" means this or "horrible" means that...

And as a side point brought up by @cole256 can we agree that RA and former LSU QB goofball also got hard at various points?

 

Maybe it's the henny... but I just hope we can join together and celebrate the fact that so many Auburn QBs have gotten hard and stayed hard throughout the years.

 

 

 

 

Please thumbs up/down --- love/hate --- or laugh/facepalm if you agree.

[bigbird 60,580]

2 hours ago, Mims44 said:

@bigbird

 

 

 

We all want our QB room to be Cam, Jason, or Nix. What we have currently is Cox, JF3, and Todd.  We'll get there. 

2 hours ago, Mims44 said:

can we agree that RA and former LSU QB goofball also got hard at various points?

Hard to watch! 😁

[Elephant Tipper 430]

On 11/25/2023 at 9:15 PM, TexasTiger said:

Gotta say, the dude catches a lot of grief and I know he’s not a game changing talent, but I appreciate his heart. Didn’t have great stats passing, obviously, but he hasn’t had the best receivers, either. Plays hard, isn’t afraid to take a hit, wants to win and gives it what’s he’s got. He’s a gamer.

PT is an opportunistic runner, not a true dual-threat, but beginning with the Samford game Montgomery doubled his runs per game to 10.  At  MSU he ran an average of only 5 times per game his last two seasons and averaged 3,000 of passing per season.  5 more runs per game doesn't seem like a lot, but I think running him 10 times per game has had an adverse impact.  This season PT had only 1,671 yds in passing and 520 rushing, a total of 2,191.  That's a net negative of about 900 yds.

They should focus more on PT passing and less on him running, besides, who's going to replace him if he's injured ?  I cringe when he's in a jumble of linemen and trying to make his way through them.  When the downfield breaks open he's great at taking advantage of the opportunity.

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
2020	Michigan State	Big Ten	FR	QB	4	25	47	1.9	1	0	0		0	25	47	1.9	1
*2021	Michigan State	Big Ten	SO	QB	13	82	181	2.2	4	1	15	15.0	0	83	196	2.4	4
2022	Michigan State	Big Ten	SR		12	60	42	0.7	1	0	0		0	60	42	0.7	1
2023	Auburn	SEC	JR	QB	12	125	520	4.2	3	0	0		0	125	520	4.2	3
Career	Overall					292	790	2.7	9	1	15	15.0	0	293	805	2.7	9
	Michigan State					167	270	1.6	6	1	15	15.0	0	168	285	1.7	6
	Auburn					125	520	4.2	3	0	0		0	125	520	4.2	3

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
2020	Michigan State	Big Ten	FR	QB	4	48	85	56.5	582	6.8	6.0	3	3	118.6
*2021	Michigan State	Big Ten	SO	QB	13	235	389	60.4	3240	8.3	8.6	27	10	148.1
2022	Michigan State	Big Ten	SR		12	242	387	62.5	2679	6.9	6.6	19	11	131.2
2023	Auburn	SEC	JR	QB	12	149	238	62.6	1671	7.0	6.6	15	9	134.8
Career	Overall					674	1099	61.3	8172	7.4	7.2	64	33	137.0
	Michigan State					525	861	61.0	6501	7.6	7.4	49	24	137.6
	Auburn					149	238	62.6	1671	7.0	6.6	15	9	134.8

[au701948 1,008]

On 11/26/2023 at 10:37 PM, TexasTiger said:

I’m all for upgrading if we can across the board. UGA & Bama will be tough away games for any QB we get. 

I agree that after a slow start PT did play winning ball.

A dropped pass possibly cost us 4 points; a muffed punt catch seems like it was a slip at exactly wrong moment; I don’t know what to call UA’s go ahead TD except probably poor decision making by Defensive Coach or player error.

I am working hard to move on and look to the near future. Need additional immediate needs to be found in the portal right now.

Then hope and pray CHF can close strong and keep current commits and have about 8-10 sitting on the back burner for ENSD.

Just hoping, that’s all I can do as a fan.

[LPTiger 5,173]

PT has to be pretty excited about having 2 of ESPN's top 10 freshman receiver's coming in.

[DAG 34,016]

12 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

PT has to be pretty excited about having 2 of ESPN's top 10 freshman receiver's coming in.

You know who is more excited ? The QB that freeze will get out of the portal hehe 

[LPTiger 5,173]

17 hours ago, DAG said:

You know who is more excited ? The QB that freeze will get out of the portal hehe 

The college football game is more of a business now than it ever has been.  If we had infinite resources going and getting a transfer QB would be an easy call.   But, we don't have infinite resources.   Are you better off spending, just say $750,000, for a 1 year transfer QB in a year where you are on the road at Bama and UGA, or spending $200,000 for an elite HS edge, $150,000 on an elite HS LB and $150,000 on a HS lock down corner, $150,000 on a HS safety and $100,000 on a HS OL? 

[DAG 34,016]

2 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

The college football game is more of a business now than it ever has been.  If we had infinite resources going and getting a transfer QB would be an easy call.   But, we don't have infinite resources.   Are you better off spending, just say $750,000, for a 1 year transfer QB in a year where you are on the road at Bama and UGA, or spending $200,000 for an elite HS edge, $150,000 on an elite HS LB and $150,000 on a HS lock down corner, $150,000 on a HS safety and $100,000 on a HS OL? 

If it is the right qb? Yes. 

[LPTiger 5,173]

Just now, DAG said:

If it is the right qb? Yes. 

Who is that and what is his price?

[DAG 34,016]

20 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

Who is that and what is his price?

The guy who doesn’t need everything right to act like a competent player. There are several in the portal who qualify. Take your pick. 

[LPTiger 5,173]

I'm not advocating for a portal QB.   I think those dollars are better spent elsewhere.  That is why I asked you for your opinion and price.

[DAG 34,016]

1 minute ago, LPTiger said:

I'm not advocating for a portal QB.   I think those dollars are better spent elsewhere.  That is why I asked you for your opinion and price.

I gave you my opinion. There are several QBs who can speed up this rebuild. Yes give them 2 million made up fantasy bucks? That make you feel better? Iono the price. What did they give Thorne for his performance? All I know is I don’t believe that freeze is not going to bring in a QB nor do I believe Freeze truly holds that Thorne is the man to lean on. 

[LPTiger 5,173]

15 minutes ago, DAG said:

 That make you feel better? 

Dang son....   There is a QB standing on the sidelines rn watching the Big 12 championship that would be worth the $$$ in my opinion. 

[DAG 34,016]

35 minutes ago, LPTiger said:

Dang son....   There is a QB standing on the sidelines rn watching the Big 12 championship that would be worth the $$$ in my opinion. 

I don’t believe for a second these guys are coming believing Thorne will be their QB. That is my opinion. Nor do I think it is sound to assume you can throw money at the others to build around Thorne. I believe if you have a guy players believe in, they more than likely will come.

[CCTAU 3,342]

Are we getting ahead of ourselves? I mean, are the WRs we are getting a sure lock as SEC playmakers? 
If it takes them a season to develop into top tier SEC players, where does that leave this offense? I like PT. I think, like others, with the right pieces, he can help this team win. If the young guys do not step right in, where does that leave us? I think that’s the question we ask when deciding on a portal QB.

[DAG 34,016]

5 minutes ago, CCTAU said:

Are we getting ahead of ourselves? I mean, are the WRs we are getting a sure lock as SEC playmakers? 
If it takes them a season to develop into top tier SEC players, where does that leave this offense? I like PT. I think, like others, with the right pieces, he can help this team win. If the young guys do not step right in, where does that leave us? I think that’s the question we ask when deciding on a portal QB.

I think like most guys they will have flashes, but do NOT predict they will be having Julio Jones impact. I still think you need to have a leader who can groom them and put them in the right positions, not the other way around.

[JDUBB4AU 5,123]

Do you ride with Walker ? Out of the gate ?

[DAG 34,016]

Just now, JDUBB4AU said:

Do you ride with Walker ? Out of the gate ?

Nooo! Preferably let him at least learn for a year. 

[JDUBB4AU 5,123]

41 minutes ago, DAG said:

Nooo! Preferably let him at least learn for a year. 

AU needs to get a high profile transfer then. Go to the mat and pay the man . 

[Old fan 47 775]

On 11/28/2023 at 9:39 PM, Elephant Tipper said:

PT is an opportunistic runner, not a true dual-threat, but beginning with the Samford game Montgomery doubled his runs per game to 10.  At  MSU he ran an average of only 5 times per game his last two seasons and averaged 3,000 of passing per season.  5 more runs per game doesn't seem like a lot, but I think running him 10 times per game has had an adverse impact.  This season PT had only 1,671 yds in passing and 520 rushing, a total of 2,191.  That's a net negative of about 900 yds.

They should focus more on PT passing and less on him running, besides, who's going to replace him if he's injured ?  I cringe when he's in a jumble of linemen and trying to make his way through them.  When the downfield breaks open he's great at taking advantage of the opportunity.

						Rushing				Receiving				Scrimmage
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Att	Yds	Avg	TD	Rec	Yds	Avg	TD	Plays	Yds	Avg	TD
2020	Michigan State	Big Ten	FR	QB	4	25	47	1.9	1	0	0		0	25	47	1.9	1
*2021	Michigan State	Big Ten	SO	QB	13	82	181	2.2	4	1	15	15.0	0	83	196	2.4	4
2022	Michigan State	Big Ten	SR		12	60	42	0.7	1	0	0		0	60	42	0.7	1
2023	Auburn	SEC	JR	QB	12	125	520	4.2	3	0	0		0	125	520	4.2	3
Career	Overall					292	790	2.7	9	1	15	15.0	0	293	805	2.7	9
	Michigan State					167	270	1.6	6	1	15	15.0	0	168	285	1.7	6
	Auburn					125	520	4.2	3	0	0		0	125	520	4.2	3

						Passing
Year	School	Conf	Class	Pos	G	Cmp	Att	Pct	Yds	Y/A	AY/A	TD	Int	Rate
2020	Michigan State	Big Ten	FR	QB	4	48	85	56.5	582	6.8	6.0	3	3	118.6
*2021	Michigan State	Big Ten	SO	QB	13	235	389	60.4	3240	8.3	8.6	27	10	148.1
2022	Michigan State	Big Ten	SR		12	242	387	62.5	2679	6.9	6.6	19	11	131.2
2023	Auburn	SEC	JR	QB	12	149	238	62.6	1671	7.0	6.6	15	9	134.8
Career	Overall					674	1099	61.3	8172	7.4	7.2	64	33	137.0
	Michigan State					525	861	61.0	6501	7.6	7.4	49	24	137.6
	Auburn					149	238	62.6	1671	7.0	6.6	15	9	134.8

I agree. With the current flock of receivers coming in, if our OL improves 15%, PT is a decent enough downfield and over the middle passer. Just don’t think we had near enough weapons at WR for any QB and of course the OL struggles didn’t help the last couple of years. 

[HabitualChiller 110]

7 hours ago, LPTiger said:

The college football game is more of a business now than it ever has been.  If we had infinite resources going and getting a transfer QB would be an easy call.   But, we don't have infinite resources.   Are you better off spending, just say $750,000, for a 1 year transfer QB in a year where you are on the road at Bama and UGA, or spending $200,000 for an elite HS edge, $150,000 on an elite HS LB and $150,000 on a HS lock down corner, $150,000 on a HS safety and $100,000 on a HS OL? 

Factoring in that the O-line isn't THAT bad, and the incoming flock of receivers are stellar, I'd say that, yes, a 1-year rental is great. 

If Freeze had 5 years to make something happen, I'd agree with you, but he needs at least 7-8 wins. 

Looking at the schedule for next year, there's a guaranteed 3-4 wins. 

He can't afford to turn-in another 6-6 season unless he goes sicko mode in recruiting and most of the losses are close.

Edited December 3, 2023 by HabitualChiller

[Mikey 16,716]

Thorne isn't all that bad. Remember, the players voted him one of their captains so he has their respect. Unless we can get a dead-solid all SEC type QB in here, lets ride with what we have at QB and spend elsewhere, preferably on multi-year linemen.

[LPTiger 5,173]

Just saw Coleman drop a ball that hit both of his hands.   For a second I thought we were playing in the ACC Championship game.  But then on the next play a receiver made a 50/50 catch and it shook me back to reality.

[cole256 17,084]

We definitely need to get a playmaker and leader at qb. Nobody wins anything big in spite of their qb. 

If your qb needs all sec players all around him to be good he's not a great qb. For whatever reason it seems Auburn fans think the team carries the qb as opposed to a qb being so good he makes everybody Around him better.... now I guess we're trying to make this guy good for whatever reason. 

Edited December 3, 2023 by cole256