To get crime under control, vote Republican

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As crime devastates communities across our country, last week’s New York gubernatorial debate between Republican candidate Lee Zeldin and current Democratic Gov. Kathy Hochul came at a critical time. Democrats are flailing, with nowhere to turn.

When Zeldin pointed out that Hochul refused to talk about locking up criminals, her response was to dismiss the issue altogether. “I don’t know why that’s so important to you,” she said.

Locking up criminals is also important to people across the country. According to Gallup, concern about crime is at its highest since 2016. Yet last year, Biden said he wants cities to "follow New York's lead” on violent crime.

Democrats like Hochul are dodging questions on crime for a simple reason: Their soft-on-crime policies put criminals over their constituents. These policies include ending cash bail, refusing to prosecute so-called “quality-of-life” crimes, and reducing felonies to misdemeanors.

In New York, where Democratic bail “reforms” have been implemented, it’s been a complete disaster , with offenders released going on to kill innocent victims. In other Democrat-run cities , crimes such as aggravated assaults and carjackings are on the rise, continuing a trend from last year.

Democrats’ response has been to dismiss crime, as Hochul did during her debate with Zeldin, and gaslight Americans who are scared and worried.

Just last week, Philadelphia’s Democratic District Attorney Larry Krasner said those who notice the “lawless” behavior plaguing the city are using “coded and racist messaging.” Seventy percent of Philly residents are worried about crime. How could a black mother whose daughter was stabbed to death possibly be “racist”? And how could Biden say that Democrats have “a great record on crime” when it’s the Democratic Party’s “woke politicians” that 64% of Americans hold responsible for the increase in crime?

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/fairness-justice/to-get-crime-under-control-vote-republican

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The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette, which shares a heavily blue county with Braddock, wrote: “Mr. Fetterman’s health — he suffered a serious stroke in May — is not the issue. His lack of transparency, however, in refusing to release his medical records is troubling. It suggests an impulse to conceal and a mistrust of the people. All candidates for a major elected office should release their medical records, as did Mr. Oz. If you want privacy, don’t run for public office.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/fettermans-home-county-paper-endorses-oz/

[icanthearyou 4,463]

Sure, the "red" states have the highest crime rates and, highest incarceration rates.  Yeah, let's listen to them.

Punishment is only a short term answer.  When you make the 2nd ammendment absolute and, add millions of unwanted children to the equation and, promote inequality,,,  it is extremely short term.  The long term trend will be more crime.

The real answers to crime are long term, foundational, structural changes to society, economy, government.

 

 

[I_M4_AU 7,847]

1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Sure, the "red" states have the highest crime rates and, highest incarceration rates

 

 

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[icanthearyou 4,463]

1 minute ago, I_M4_AU said:

 

 

I believe you are intelligent enough to see through this.  Dense populations will have more crime.  However, when we compare apples to apples, the red states, per capita, are leading the nation in crime.

When Ted Cruz tell you something,,, you would be a fool not to be extremely skeptical.

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6 minutes ago, icanthearyou said:

I believe you are intelligent enough to see through this.  Dense populations will have more crime.  However, when we compare apples to apples, the red states, per capita, are leading the nation in crime.

When Ted Cruz tell you something,,, you would be a fool not to be extremely skeptical.

So, its the fault of Republicans that densely populated cities have more crime.  Its also the Republican’s fault that densely populated cities are located in red states and those cities, more often than not, are run be Democrats.  I think I see your point.

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

2 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So, its the fault of Republicans that densely populated cities have more crime.  Its also the Republican’s fault that densely populated cities are located in red states and those cities, more often than not, are run be Democrats.  I think I see your point.

Seems weird that Republican controlled States with Republican legislators and Republican State District attorneys have no influence on the level of crime of cities within their borders. State laws and governance should have more direct influence on trends than individual mayors or city councils can have. 

You'd think all those "tough on crime" State laws and policies would decrease crime from cities compared to those in Democratic states.....but I guess not. 

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3 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

Seems weird that Republican controlled States with Republican legislators and Republican State District attorneys have no influence on the level of crime of cities within their borders. State laws and governance should have more direct influence on trends than individual mayors or city councils can have. 

You'd think all those "tough on crime" State laws and policies would decrease crime from cities compared to those in Democratic states.....but I guess not. 

Is a District Attorney elected or appointed? 

District attorneys are either elected by the local constituents they represent or appointed by the chief executive of the jurisdiction. Except for the District of Columbia and three states—Connecticut, New Jersey, and Alaska—other 47 states across the country elect their District Attorneys. The term of an elected district attorney depends on the state. 

https://ignitenational.org/blog/local-politics-101-the-role-of-a-district-attorney

Nice try.

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7 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

So, its the fault of Republicans that densely populated cities have more crime.  Its also the Republican’s fault that densely populated cities are located in red states and those cities, more often than not, are run be Democrats.  I think I see your point.

I don't think you do.

https://www.thirdway.org/report/the-red-state-murder-problem

Takeaways

• The rate of murders in the US has gone up at an alarming rate. But, despite a media narrative to the contrary, this is a problem that afflicts Republican-run cities and states as much or more than the Democratic bastions.
• In 2020, per capita murder rates were 40% higher in states won by Donald Trump than those won by Joe Biden.
•  8 of the 10 states with the highest murder rates in 2020 voted for the Republican presidential nominee in every election this century.

 

Every news outlet from FOX to CNN to The New York Times to local newspapers has a story with attention-grabbing headlines like “US cities hit all-time murder records.” Fox News and Republicans have jumped on this and framed it as a “Democrat” problem. They blame it on Democrat’s “soft-on-crime” approach and have even referred to a New York District Attorney’s approach as “hug-a-thug.” Many news stories outside of Fox have also purported that police reform is responsible for this rise in murder and have pointed to cities like New York and Los Angeles.

There is a measure of truth to these stories. The US saw an alarming 30% increase in murder in 2020. While 2021 data is not yet complete, murder was on the rise again this past year.  Some “blue” cities, like Chicago, Baltimore, and Philadelphia, have seen real and persistent increases in homicides. These cities—along with others like Los Angeles, New York, and Minneapolis—are also in places with wall-to-wall media coverage and national media interest.

But there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.

We collected 2019 and 2020 murder data from all 50 states. (Comprehensive 2021 data is not yet available.) We pulled the data from yearly crime reports released by state governments, specifically the Departments of Justice and Safety. For states that didn’t issue state crime reports, we pulled data from reputable local news sources. To allow for comparison, we calculated the state’s per capita murder rate, the number of murders per 100,000 residents, and categorized states by their presidential vote in the 2020 election, resulting in an even 25-25 split.

We found that murder rates are, on average, 40% higher in the 25 states Donald Trump won in the last presidential election compared to those that voted for Joe Biden. In addition, murder rates in many of these red states dwarf those in blue states like New York, California, and Massachusetts. And finally, many of the states with the worst murder rates—like Mississippi, Kentucky, Alabama, South Carolina, and Arkansas—are ones that few would describe as urban. Only 2 of America’s top 100 cities in population are located in these high murder rate states. And not a single one of the top 10 murder states registers in the top 15 for population density.

Whether one does or does not blame Republican leaders for high murder rates, it seems that Republican officeholders do a better job of blaming Democrats for lethal crime than actually reducing lethal crime.

Trump-Voting States Account for 8 out of the 10 Highest Murder Rates in 2020.

If you’re tuned in to the media, you’d think murder is rocketing skyward in New York, California, Illinois. But those states don’t even crack the top ten.

In fact, the top per capita murder rate states in 2020 were mostly those far from massive urban centers and Democratic mayors and governors. Eight of the top ten worst murder rate states voted for Trump in 2020. None of those eight has supported a Democrat for president since 1996.

The chart below shows the top 10 murder rate states in 2020. Mississippi had the highest homicide rate at 20.50 murders per 100,000 residents, followed by Louisiana at 15.79, Kentucky at 14.32, Alabama at 14.2, and Missouri at 14. The national average was 6.5 per 100,000 residents, but the top five states had rates more than twice that high.

These red states are not generating “murder is out of control” national headlines. They seem to generate no headlines at all. The rest of the top ten were filled out by South Carolina, New Mexico, Georgia, Arkansas, and Tennessee—all states rarely talked about in breathless media reports about rampant crime in Democratic strongholds. Notably, New Mexico and Georgia were the only Biden-voting states in the top ten, and they ranked seventh and eighth, respectively.

Five of the largest Biden-voting states by population, and those often in the news when it comes to crime, had much lower murder rates. New York at 4.11 per 100,000 residents, California at 5.59, and New Jersey at 3.70 were each well below the national average. Pennsylvania (7.22) and Illinois (9.20) were higher than the national average. But Mississippi’s murder rate was nearly 400% higher than New York’s, more than 250% higher than California’s, and about 120% higher than Illinois’s. In fact, the five states with the highest murder rates, all Trump-voting states, had rates at least 240% higher than New York’s murder rate and at least 150% higher than California’s, the homes to some of the largest cities featured prominently in the “crime is out of control” narrative.

(See link for graphic representations)

Conclusion

The current narrative around crime and murder is convenient and wrong. Whether you’re watching CNN or Fox News, or getting news online or from a traditional newspaper, you would think that the increase in murder is a phenomenon found mostly in liberal cities. Many have tried attributing this increase to Democratic policies, specifically police reform. Republican lawmakers and ad makers have contributed to this narrative through clever messaging and strategies.

But the data clearly paint a different story. The increase in murders is not a liberal cities problem but a national problem. Murder rates are actually higher in Republican, Trump-voting states that haven’t even flirted with ideas like defund the police. Eight of the ten most lawless, high-murder states are not only Trump-voting states, but GOP bastions for the last quarter of a century. A more accurate conclusion from the data is that Republicans do a far better job blaming others for high murder rates than actually reducing high murder rates.

Methodology

We sought 2019 and 2020 murder data from all 50 states. Our primary source was the annual crime reports released by state governments, more specifically from their Departments of Justice or Public Safety. We chose state data because we found it’s more comprehensive than FBI data which is often compiled later. For example, “the FBI estimated crime statistics for Mississippi are based on data received from 113 of 251 law enforcement agencies in the state that year.” 37 states had crime reports for the years 2019 and 2020: Alaska, Arkansas, Arizona, California, Colorado, Connecticut, Delaware, Florida, Iowa, Idaho, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Massachusetts, Maine, Michigan, Minnesota, Montana, North Carolina, North Dakota, Nebraska, New Hampshire, New Jersey, Nevada, New York, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, Wisconsin, and Wyoming. For the remaining states we pulled data from published public sources: Alabama- US News, Georgia- US News, Hawaii- The Center Square, Indiana- Hartford City News Times, Louisiana- US News, Maryland- Ocean City Today, Mississippi- US News, Missouri- US News, New Mexico- US News, Ohio- Axios, Oregon- KOIN, Vermont- WCAX, West Virginia- The Center Square. In seven states, the public sources only provided murder per capita rates, so using the rates and census population data, we estimated the number of murders in that state. Data and sources are attached above.

 

 

[CoffeeTiger 5,108]

5 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

Is a District Attorney elected or appointed? 

District attorneys are either elected by the local constituents they represent or appointed by the chief executive of the jurisdiction. Except for the District of Columbia and three states—Connecticut, New Jersey, and Alaska—other 47 states across the country elect their District Attorneys. The term of an elected district attorney depends on the state. 

https://ignitenational.org/blog/local-politics-101-the-role-of-a-district-attorney

Nice try.

??????

Even Democratic City District attorney's still have to follow laws and regulations put in place by the State lawmakers. and Republican controlled States will usually have Republican controlled State district attorney's.

This is my point. Cities have high crime even in Republican States where the Conservative state laws on crime and punishment should help decrease crime....but they don't. 

 

 

 

 

[I_M4_AU 7,847]

19 minutes ago, CoffeeTiger said:

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Even Democratic City District attorney's still have to follow laws and regulations put in place by the State lawmakers. and Republican controlled States will usually have Republican controlled State district attorney's.

This is my point. Cities have high crime even in Republican States where the Conservative state laws on crime and punishment should help decrease crime....but they don't. 

 

 

 

 

A lot of the Democrat run cities elect soft of crime DA’s and that is the issue.  Even in Florida there was a DA that didn’t want to abide by the law and DeSantis removed him.

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14 minutes ago, I_M4_AU said:

in Florida there was a DA that didn’t want to abide by the law and DeSantis removed him.

The DA said he wouldn't enforce it because it is literally unconstitutional under Florida law. Florida's constitution had an enumerated right to privacy. 

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I don’t believe this is a D vs R thing.  As a nation, we have a culture problem.  In these urban areas the mentality is get money and move up, everyone else get out of my way. I think both sides agree that there’s a problem, but one looks to federally funded programs to pull us out while the other thinks it’s the church’s responsibility to change the culture.  

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1 hour ago, AUDub said:

The DA said he wouldn't enforce it because it is literally unconstitutional under Florida law. Florida's constitution had an enumerated right to privacy. 

The point being not every DA in a Republican (or Democrat) state goes along with the party in charge. 

[icanthearyou 4,463]

2 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

So, its the fault of Republicans that densely populated cities have more crime.  Its also the Republican’s fault that densely populated cities are located in red states and those cities, more often than not, are run be Democrats.  I think I see your point.

I don't believe you are that stupid.  Please, don't be this disingenuous.  

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1 hour ago, pensacolatiger said:

I don’t believe this is a D vs R thing.  As a nation, we have a culture problem.  In these urban areas the mentality is get money and move up, everyone else get out of my way. I think both sides agree that there’s a problem, but one looks to federally funded programs to pull us out while the other thinks it’s the church’s responsibility to change the culture.  

I agree with parts of this. I agree that it's not a D v R issue. People generally move to the urban areas with hopes of making a better life for themselves and their family. Crime generally happens when people dont make it and are struggling to make ends meet. They will use crime as a last resort, whether that's some extra money to pay for rent or food.

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3 hours ago, I_M4_AU said:

So, its the fault of Republicans that densely populated cities have more crime.  Its also the Republican’s fault that densely populated cities are located in red states and those cities, more often than not, are run be Democrats.  I think I see your point.

Most all of these “densely “ populated areas are run by Democrats. Wonder why crime is rampant??

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2 hours ago, CoffeeTiger said:

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Even Democratic City District attorney's still have to follow laws and regulations put in place by the State lawmakers. and Republican controlled States will usually have Republican controlled State district attorney's.

This is my point. Cities have high crime even in Republican States where the Conservative state laws on crime and punishment should help decrease crime....but they don't. 

 

 

 

 

It’s because you have dumb ass Democrats running most all large cities, even in Red states.

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7 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

It’s because you have dumb ass Democrats running most all large cities, even in Red states.

Well, for those who like facts and data,,, it's more about the available social safety net, education, sense of community.

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1 hour ago, icanthearyou said:

Well, for those who like facts and data,,, it's more about the available social safety net, education, sense of community.

I agree with you about education and sense of community, but you also must have personal responsibility to have a good living environment.

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2 hours ago, PUB78 said:

Most all of these “densely “ populated areas are run by Democrats. Wonder why crime is rampant??

So why is it so many smaller, rural Red states - ones for whom city populations are relatively small compared to total population - rank so much higher in per capita crime rate than blue states with very large cities?

(And don't you really mean "blacks" when you say "Democrats"?  Be honest.)

Edited November 5, 2022 by homersapien

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Do you mean “white”, middle-class, religious conservatives  when you refer to Republicans? 

3 minutes ago, homersapien said:

So why is it so many smaller, rural Red states - ones for whom city populations are relatively small compared to total population - rank so much higher in per capita crime rate than blue states with very large cities?

(And don't you really mean "blacks" when you say "Democrats"?  Be honest.)

 

[homersapien 11,379]

7 minutes ago, PUB78 said:

Do you mean “white”, middle-class, religious conservatives  when you refer to Republicans? 

 

Nah, I am thinking more of white losers and white Christo-fascists (evangelicals) when I say MAGA Republicans. 

That - along with a sprinkling of rich, white, opportunistic sociopaths - pretty much covers them.

Which one are you? 

Edited November 5, 2022 by homersapien

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15 minutes ago, homersapien said:

Nah, I am thinking more of white losers and white Christo-fascists (evangelicals) when I say MAGA Republicans. 

That - along with a sprinkling of rich, white, opportunistic sociopaths - pretty much covers them.

Which one are you? 

Ha! Good one Homer. I am a white, upper middle class ,religious conservative, but not a MAGA, although I voted for him as the lesser of two evils in 2016-2020. I don’t consider myself rich, but comfortable.

You referred to yourself as wealthy in a post on the past. So, are you one of the rich, elitist leftists that thinks everyone else is just one of the masses and need to be led as sheep?