2014 5* JUCO WR D'Haquille Williams SIGNS WITH AUBURN!!!

[WDE427 72]

Fellers, I'm just gonna go ahead and predict DQ to the corndogs. Just my gut feeling. I'd love to have him and I'd happily eat a bunch of crow if we got him, but it just doesn't feel like he's AU to me. JMO.

Judging from his remarks over the past several months, his heart is at LSU but he committed to Auburn in order to have a holla'-back school in case LSU never offered. IMHO the only way he signs with AU is if LSU doesn't offer him a scholarship.

Maybe I'm a hard-head, but I'd rather find some 3* high school guy that really wants to be an Auburn Tiger. This Williams guy can't even be bothered to come here to see a game. How well will that attitude work out when he gets in our locker room? Will he carry out his blocking assignments or loaf until his number is called to catch a pass?

He'll do what he'll do and I don't much care where he chooses to play his one-and-done year.

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[PCBAuburnaFan 1]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

[metafour 4,969]

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

Which point about the comments isn't valid? We are ranked in the 100's nationally in passing offense. Of our total offensive plays for the year, only 29% have been passes. You can talk about Malzahn's offense all you want, but Marshall is a JR and from all likelihood will be back next year. If you are D'Haquille Williams, are you not worried about Marshall being the starter again next season and it being a repeat of this season where no one can stop us from running the ball and Malzahn simply chooses to go run heavy again?

LSU has 2 receivers on track for 1000+ yards and both look like they will break 10 touchdowns. Their offense has been so beneficial that both are carrying 2nd/3rd round draft grades as Juniors. Apart from their two stars who look NFL bound; they are also losing two more Seniors who are in the playing rotation. There is a big opportunity for him to step in right away there and become the go-to guy right away. Yes, they are losing Mettenberger, but their backup is another strong looking Freshman similar to Jeremy Johnson. At the end of the day he can play right away for either school, however one has shown an ability to develop star-caliber NFL receivers (LSU) while the other has shown to be a run-heavy team that realistically could bring back it's running QB (Us).

[McLoofus 35,182]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

No, it's like we're throwing 7 times and only completing 3.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/boxscore?gameId=333132633

[Tivo48 31]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

No, it's like we're throwing 7 times and only completing 3.

http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=333132633

I think what PCB is getting at is that it's not like we're trying really hard to throw the ball (ie, 30 pass attempts) and because of our ineptitude we just can't complete anything. Instead it's just that we've got a great stable of RBs and no true game-changing WR (I love Coates but he isn't quite to that level yet) so we choose to run the ball instead of throw it.

Gus's message to DQ is likely something along the lines of "you come here and help give us a WR core we can count on and we'll start airing it our more. We'll run the offense based on the personnel we have."

[lionheartkc 6,150]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

No, it's like we're throwing 7 times and only completing 3.

http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=333132633

I think what PCB is getting at is that it's not like we're trying really hard to throw the ball (ie, 30 pass attempts) and because of our ineptitude we just can't complete anything. Instead it's just that we've got a great stable of RBs and no true game-changing WR (I love Coates but he isn't quite to that level yet) so we choose to run the ball instead of throw it.

Gus's message to DQ is likely something along the lines of "you come here and help give us a WR core we can count on and we'll start airing it our more. We'll run the offense based on the personnel we have."

Agreed. All DQ has to do is watch film and he'll see why we aren't throwing, and it's not because of Marshall. Sure he's had a few off target passes, what QB doesn't? What it's mostly about, however, is that we don't have a reliable go to receiver, and DQ is perfect to fill that role.

[PCBAuburnaFan 1]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

No, it's like we're throwing 7 times and only completing 3.

http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=333132633

I think what PCB is getting at is that it's not like we're trying really hard to throw the ball (ie, 30 pass attempts) and because of our ineptitude we just can't complete anything. Instead it's just that we've got a great stable of RBs and no true game-changing WR (I love Coates but he isn't quite to that level yet) so we choose to run the ball instead of throw it.

Gus's message to DQ is likely something along the lines of "you come here and help give us a WR core we can count on and we'll start airing it our more. We'll run the offense based on the personnel we have."

Agreed. All DQ has to do is watch film and he'll see why we aren't throwing, and it's not because of Marshall. Sure he's had a few off target passes, what QB doesn't? What it's mostly about, however, is that we don't have a reliable go to receiver, and DQ is perfect to fill that role.

exactly what I was trying to get at. I can see the negative views towards us not passing but i think a semi intelligent recruit can respect why we aren't.

Plus Coates has some solid receiving yards even with our few attempts

[McLoofus 35,182]

I have to disagree with you guys I think a guy as prideful as him is upset with the way LSU has been recruiting him. He doesn't want to be any schools back up plan.

So while he may like LSU and family may be a concern it's only one year he'll probably be here and he sounded hurt in his interviews about LSU not watching his game in person of recruiting him very hard.

Also to the comments about our little passing is hurting us please shut up. I dont mean to be rude but that's just an annoying comment. Marshall has had the first 250 yard passing game since Cam and it's not like we're throwing 30 times and only completing 3.

Anyone, including recruits, who had spoken with Gus knows he tailors his offense to what he has and what's working. Receivers dropping passes has pissed him off and when you can put up more than 50 points with only one passing touchdown that's awesome.

DQ should come to Auburn and he knows it, LSU would have to make a huge push for him soon

No, it's like we're throwing 7 times and only completing 3.

http://espn.go.com/n...ameId=333132633

I think what PCB is getting at is that it's not like we're trying really hard to throw the ball (ie, 30 pass attempts) and because of our ineptitude we just can't complete anything. Instead it's just that we've got a great stable of RBs and no true game-changing WR (I love Coates but he isn't quite to that level yet) so we choose to run the ball instead of throw it.

Gus's message to DQ is likely something along the lines of "you come here and help give us a WR core we can count on and we'll start airing it our more. We'll run the offense based on the personnel we have."

Agreed. All DQ has to do is watch film and he'll see why we aren't throwing, and it's not because of Marshall. Sure he's had a few off target passes, what QB doesn't? What it's mostly about, however, is that we don't have a reliable go to receiver, and DQ is perfect to fill that role.

I trust you guys are formulating your posts based on the assumption that Williams is reading this thread and needs to be sold on Auburn.

Sammie Coates had 3 straight 100+ yd games before the Tennessee game and is leading the nation in YPC even though he barely ever sees the ball. He is the definition of a go-to, game-breaking receiver. And we don't pass the ball because we don't have to. Not sure how many different ways it can be said, but I'd think the several different ways that Malzahn and Lashlee have said it would be enough.

[metafour 4,969]

No; the fact that Marshall is much better running the football is a big part as to why we are so run heavy. He is alright passing the football, but he really doesn't seem to possess natural ability to be able to place the ball where it needs to be consistently. The fact is that he is back next year too, and there is no guarantee the he isn't going to be the starter again. Do you foresee Marshall throwing the ball 25-30 times a game next year? I dont.

[mcgufcm 4,107]

No, but I could see him throwing it 15-20 times a game. If Williams is as dominant as people believe he is, you can expect to see 7 or more targets a game. That's plenty of opportunities.

I could easily see us throwing the ball as much as we did when Cam was here. Darvin Adams (who I love but isn't in the same league from a talent standpoint) posted 50+ catches and 900+ yards in consecutive seasons in this offense. Do I think someone could match or improve on THAT? Well. Yes. Yes, I do.

Hell, even without throwing the ball this year, Coates is on pace for 30+ catches and 900+ yards (without a catch against WCU when we basically decided to rest him). I could see a true 1st round WR talent putting up a 40 or 50 catch 1000+ yard season without a huge uptick in our pass attempts.

[metafour 4,969]

Yeah, but does this offense prepare receivers for the NFL? Cam Cameron is an NFL coordinator that runs NFL-caliber route trees. All we do with Coates is send him deep (or throw the occasional screen) ...yes, he's putting up big numbers, but is he a good route runner? I doubt it considering we barely ask our receivers to run more than 1-3 specialized routes each. All we ever do with Louis is throw him screens.

The problem I see with Malzahn's offense is that it seems to create far too many "specialist" players on the receiving end. He'll have his 1-2 guys that catch screen passes. He'll have his "go-to deep threat" that he'll run when he wants to test a defense vertically. He'll have his TE/HB that he likes to use when we get close to the red-zone. The NFL is looking for guys that can do everything, and I'm really not sold on Malzahn's offense catering to create those types of players.

You can talk all you want about how our receivers suck or he doesn't have the talent to work with. Malzahn has yet to have even one receiver drafted into the NFL.

[mcgufcm 4,107]

You think Mike Evans is complaining about the routes he's being asked to run?

Cam Newton transitioned out of this offense into the NFL just fine. If a QB can do it, a WR can as well.

[lionheartkc 6,150]

Sammie Coates had 3 straight 100+ yd games before the Tennessee game and is leading the nation in YPC even though he barely ever sees the ball. He is the definition of a go-to, game-breaking receiver. And we don't pass the ball because we don't have to. Not sure how many different ways it can be said, but I'd think the several different ways that Malzahn and Lashlee have said it would be enough.

Sammie is the definition of a game-breaking receiver, but he is not a go-to receiver. He can take it to the house with his speed, but he hasn't shown the knack to get open on short and middle passes and he has dropped a few too many to be completely relied on. That being said, against Arkansas he really looked like the light had come on and he was making plays instead of letting the plays coming to him. If that trend continues, then he is well on his way to being a go-to receiver.

Yes, we don't pass because we don't have to, but you can bet, if we had 1-2 receivers who got open regularly and caught everything thrown their way, we'd pass a lot more and Steven Clark would be very bored.

[McLoofus 35,182]

Sammie Coates had 3 straight 100+ yd games before the Tennessee game and is leading the nation in YPC even though he barely ever sees the ball. He is the definition of a go-to, game-breaking receiver. And we don't pass the ball because we don't have to. Not sure how many different ways it can be said, but I'd think the several different ways that Malzahn and Lashlee have said it would be enough.

Sammie is the definition of a game-breaking receiver, but he is not a go-to receiver. He can take it to the house with his speed, but he hasn't shown the knack to get open on short and middle passes and he has dropped a few too many to be completely relied on. That being said, against Arkansas he really looked like the light had come on and he was making plays instead of letting the plays coming to him. If that trend continues, then he is well on his way to being a go-to receiver.

Yes, we don't pass because we don't have to, but you can bet, if we had 1-2 receivers who got open regularly and caught everything thrown their way, we'd pass a lot more and Steven Clark would be very bored.

I can't/don't disagree with any of that. Point conceded on the "go-to" part. Well said.

[metafour 4,969]

You think Mike Evans is complaining about the routes he's being asked to run?

Huh? A&M is an Air-Raid variant offense that quite honestly isn't even remotely similar to ours. I dont really understand the comparison.

Cam Newton transitioned out of this offense into the NFL just fine. If a QB can do it, a WR can as well.

Cam Newton got to the NFL on his physical toolset, but apart from that he was still throwing all sort of routes. The problem is that its not every receiver that is being versed in every route. So while the QB may be able to showcase a broad enough skillset, I'm really not convinced that the receivers share the same fate. The best way I can put it is 'pigeonholing' guys into certain roles. Besides that; this offense seems to show far too much tendency where guys will have a big game or two and then will completely fall off the face of the earth for 2-3 straight games in which they may as well not even be on the team. This appears to be a 1-receiver offense with everyone else playing a "role"...and that 1-receiver isn't even asked to display every skill.

I know for a fact that Malzahn avoids intermediate routes over the middle of the field because he wants to spread teams to the outside so that he can keep the middle open for his running game. Its just the nature of the offense.

[mcgufcm 4,107]

From a route-running perspective, watch Mike Evans and watch Sammie Coates. Then, find the difference. Evans catches 80% of his passes on screens, posts and fly routes. Same with Coates.

And A&M, despite being more pass-heavy than Auburn, isn't displaying a lot of intermediate passing either. That's my point. If you're good enough, the NFL will find you, regardless of the diversity of the routes you run in college. I mean, you think Calvin Johnson was running NFL-style route trees at Georgia Tech? Or do you think they told him: go get open Calvin. If you're good enough, it won't matter.

Also, it's silly to pretend like the NFL isn't a league of specialists. What is Wes Welker if not a pure specialist. Hell, look at Denver. Welker is an underneath possession receiver. Thomas is the deep-threat. Decker is more of a jack-of-all-trades. That is a team of specialists.

[AU Ivory_dealer 2]

For all you sweetmilk AU fans that keep bitching about not throwing the ball, we haven't had to. We are not a team that can pass for fun. We have a QB that did not attend spring football at Auburn. You don't think we can pass? What won the Miss St game? A&M? First TD in last weeks game? We can pass but do not have a receiver that demands to get the ball. Sammie catches most balls but he is not telling Nick give me the ball, give me the ball, ill get it just give me the ball. Id he is his ball confidence doesnt match so far. Ill bet money on it. Marcus Davis<<---- probably has called for the ball more than Coates. Ricardo aka future TZac-is mindfricked but will get it together.

Saw an article on Gary Danielson and he basically said unlike Alabama who has to be balanced and strive to be balanced, Auburn (this year/year one)on the otherhand plays to its strengths. And doesn't have to pass until the run game is slowed. Gus has been saying it all year. Him saying JJ has an NFL arm doesn't mean to hand the ball off like an NFL QB. We have a QB as an OC and a receiver for a HC and a QB for WR coach fellas.

As far as DQ he has been wanting real recognition from LSU that finally came. He mentioned wanting NM to just get the ball to him and mentioned playing across from Sammie and Quan. I'm just gonna watch this play out but I'm not gonna sit here and cry about Gus's play calling. I was complaining when we came out throwing last week until Sammie started showing out followed by a drop that was another first down.

[tigerchris 243]

When is he signing?

[ellitor 33,114]

When is he signing?

December

[metafour 4,969]

From a route-running perspective, watch Mike Evans and watch Sammie Coates. Then, find the difference. Evans catches 80% of his passes on screens, posts and fly routes. Same with Coates.

And A&M, despite being more pass-heavy than Auburn, isn't displaying a lot of intermediate passing either. That's my point. If you're good enough, the NFL will find you, regardless of the diversity of the routes you run in college. I mean, you think Calvin Johnson was running NFL-style route trees at Georgia Tech? Or do you think they told him: go get open Calvin. If you're good enough, it won't matter.

The guys that are uber-freaks physically can make it by doing anything. For everyone else; you better show that you can run routes and get open. Mike Evans is 6'5 225+ and Calvin Johnson is 6'5 240...and ran a 4.35 and jumped 42.5 inches; those aren't "real world" examples to me. Coates has NFL caliber athleticism, but are we really pushing him enough to exploit his ability? I dont think so. Louis has the physical frame to bully defenders yet all we do is throw him screen passes. Yes, he's dropped some balls, but you have to challenge guys to get them to improve.

The two currently at LSU are 5'11-6'0 and 190 pounds. Watch their highlight reels; they both run 3x more routes than anyone on our team. In fact; neither one is much different physically from underutilized/underdeveloped Quan Bray on our own team. If I'm a WR I'd rather play in LSU's offense, easily.

[tsande07 271]

It's true that LSU and some others have more "sophisticated" passing games than Auburn. I think the point being made by some others is that simplicity is not the same thing as ineffectiveness. In fact, teams that have great success passing the ball (e.g. TAMU) often employ a couple simple concepts repeatedly. They're just good enough at it that it doesn't matter.

Our success on offense is based on two thing: doing what we do well without over-complicating things and ruthlessly finding and exploiting our opponents weaknesses. Right now, we're "just good enough" at the handful of running plays that we use to not need to pass as much. We can pass, effectively. We will pass more when it become necessary to do so, which will be starting tomorrow, most likely. Both GA and UAT play well against the run, but have show weakness against the pass.

Next year, with Nick Marshall fully acclimated to the offensive system (not to mention Jeremy Johnson), the passing game should come closer to matching the running game as a team strength for us, so the logical expectation would be for us to be more "balanced" at that point. I don't have any statistics to back me up, but it seems like with JJ in the game, we run more of the full range of our passing game. NM's excellence in running the zone read has caused us to rely pretty heavily on that when he's in the game, but again, he's still growing into the offense every week.

Now, if I were Mr. Williams, I would be pretty confident of being drafted coming out of either school. Since AU has consistently wanted him more, I don't see why he wouldn't see coming to AU as the best possible decision for him.

[JDUBB4AU 5,123]

PCB its not a stupid comment its the truth when it pertains to DQ. I'm happy we are running all over everyone but DQ is a receiver not a RB. Think about the statement and read up on the kid before u say a post is stupid. He's a selfish player who wants the ball all the time and thats not Auburn .. he can go where ever but at Auburn its a team game

[Tigermike 3,054]

And he is committed to AUBURN.

[C'viewTiger 242]

No; the fact that Marshall is much better running the football is a big part as to why we are so run heavy. He is alright passing the football, but he really doesn't seem to possess natural ability to be able to place the ball where it needs to be consistently. The fact is that he is back next year too, and there is no guarantee the he isn't going to be the starter again. Do you foresee Marshall throwing the ball 25-30 times a game next year? I dont.

CAM threw the ball more after he got comfortable in the system and he went through Spring camp. I do believe that NM will throw more next year. How much, it depends on the RBs and the strength of the O. Besides, if CGM wants a passing attack and NM can't do it, he won't win the job IMO.

[metafour 4,969]

CAM threw the ball more after he got comfortable in the system and he went through Spring camp. I do believe that NM will throw more next year. How much, it depends on the RBs and the strength of the O. Besides, if CGM wants a passing attack and NM can't do it, he won't win the job IMO.

This is the 11th game of the season...there is nothing more to get "comfortable" over. The reality is that Marshall does not possess a natural feel for throwing the football. It is blatantly obvious any time we throw down the field. He looks like he's trying to 'guide' the ball to the receiver; the long pass to Louis today being a perfect example. He had his man beat for a touchdown but the pass was under-thrown because Marshall is afraid of over-throwing like he was doing early in the season. He shows natural ability every once in a while; but it simply isn't consistent enough to believe that we will ever open up the passing game with Marshall as the QB.